I also dislike the idea of outsourcing.

But alas.

@[DGI]tech
Reduce cost of living, and ¿what happens? 😉

Again i don't understand your meaning

this should give you an idea of the limitations of long distance Tesla driving: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_naDg-guomA

can you explain why he's so worked up about that road?

so i don't have to watch the whole thing to figure out the context

why this particular road? not sure, but then I only watched 45mins of it so I don't know what the "biggest mistake" was.

btw, each charging stop is about 2.5hrs apart, spending 40-50mins each stop to charge at 240v, 40 amp outlets

Electric cars are a little weird in that you can increase their efficiency by going really slow. Wind resistance becomes a significant factor for them at highway speeds. So guys that try to set range records drive across the desert with no AC and windows up at 20mph

internal combustion cars are the same though

@Just for youtube [NB1]
It's a long, lonely country (sorta) road.
@C1PHER
Nothing weird about increased efficiency at low speeds; Ships routinely reduce speed if the delivery time isn't specified.

Maybe I'm just thinking of "city vs highway" fuel ratings then. ICE cars usually have better highway ratings

Because of running at stop lights and acceleration

mainly

most cars are most fuel efficient at like 35mph

30 even

Fuel effeciency was the original reason for the federal 55mph speed limit...

And braking. Any time you hit the brakes you are turning useful mechanical energy directly into heat. You brake often in the city, much less often on the highway if you are driving correctly. @C1PHER if you could drive a constant 40-50 mph in the city without braking you'd get fantastic mileage, much better than the freeway because wind resistance goes up by the cube of your airspeed.

The braking thing is why hybrid cars with regen brakes often get as good or even better mileage in city than they do freeway. They recycle most of their braking energy instead of burning it off as heat.

shouldn't be braking all that much in the city either

if your car has a trip computer that gives you live mpg stats, you will see just how much acceleration affects fuel consumption and what a slight reduction in gas pedal force impacts you

you'll also see what braking gets you

my car gets 150mpg coasting at 35mph

i coast a lot

Also: somebody cited the cost of operation being lower for electric cars (about half of ICE cars). I think the problem there is that the cost of operation for a hybrid car is nearly as good, but with a much lower initial investment.

re: electric cars - you gotta change the battery every 5-7 years or so, which is a major expense(depending on the capacity and source)

I want to see the stats on that. I usually see batteries under warranty for 8 to 10 years

that just so happens to be the car finance term/warranty term of most cars

some hybrids can get twice the mpg of some ICE cars

so some cost half as much

yea

to run

prius is about 5-7 years, that much I know(not that I can provide citations)

Toyota warranties their hybrid batteries for 8 years or 100,000 miles. 10 years 150,000 miles under California emission laws

Same with Tesla

could be cycle depth that's impacting the life there

and just cuz it's warrantied, doen't mean that portions of the banks aren't get changed in that time, @C1PHER

Hybrid batteries tend to be Ni-MH batteries instead of lithium, I think. The software also tends to keep the charge levels from getting too high or low to help extend life

I was under the impression that they're lithium nowadays

That may have changed at some point