Maybe I'm just thinking of "city vs highway" fuel ratings then. ICE cars usually have better highway ratings

Because of running at stop lights and acceleration

mainly

most cars are most fuel efficient at like 35mph

30 even

Fuel effeciency was the original reason for the federal 55mph speed limit...

And braking. Any time you hit the brakes you are turning useful mechanical energy directly into heat. You brake often in the city, much less often on the highway if you are driving correctly. @C1PHER if you could drive a constant 40-50 mph in the city without braking you'd get fantastic mileage, much better than the freeway because wind resistance goes up by the cube of your airspeed.

The braking thing is why hybrid cars with regen brakes often get as good or even better mileage in city than they do freeway. They recycle most of their braking energy instead of burning it off as heat.

shouldn't be braking all that much in the city either

if your car has a trip computer that gives you live mpg stats, you will see just how much acceleration affects fuel consumption and what a slight reduction in gas pedal force impacts you

you'll also see what braking gets you

my car gets 150mpg coasting at 35mph

i coast a lot

Also: somebody cited the cost of operation being lower for electric cars (about half of ICE cars). I think the problem there is that the cost of operation for a hybrid car is nearly as good, but with a much lower initial investment.

re: electric cars - you gotta change the battery every 5-7 years or so, which is a major expense(depending on the capacity and source)

I want to see the stats on that. I usually see batteries under warranty for 8 to 10 years

that just so happens to be the car finance term/warranty term of most cars

some hybrids can get twice the mpg of some ICE cars

so some cost half as much

yea

to run

prius is about 5-7 years, that much I know(not that I can provide citations)

Toyota warranties their hybrid batteries for 8 years or 100,000 miles. 10 years 150,000 miles under California emission laws

Same with Tesla

could be cycle depth that's impacting the life there

and just cuz it's warrantied, doen't mean that portions of the banks aren't get changed in that time, @C1PHER

Hybrid batteries tend to be Ni-MH batteries instead of lithium, I think. The software also tends to keep the charge levels from getting too high or low to help extend life

I was under the impression that they're lithium nowadays

That may have changed at some point

they are and I think they always were, at least for the modern iterations of hybrids, like when the Prius first came out

in reality though https://i.imgur.com/FdkRMpM.png
https://i.imgur.com/SsJs0EW.png

Hybrids don't get what their advertised mpg is

My Prius actually gets higher than the advertised mpg

probably because you care

Maybe mine is just some sort of magic fluke

and it matters how you drive it

my Fit is supposed to get 27 city and 33 highway, i get 35 city and 42hwy if i try a little

I also drive <8000 miles a year

drive it like a grandma and up goes the efficiency

I may also drive like grandma

But not my time efficiency