Message from @Wyntr
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I suppose my statement is more appropriate to the principles of self defense, not the legal entity of the second amendment
Well, the two are the same
Well the second amendment extends beyond personal self defense into national self defense
If you’re going to extend self defense beyond personal, then the person is no longer the thing owning the means for protection but rather the nation
And that’s what the military is
I'm not sure how you're splitting those exactly, it's really just scale
And no, 2A is explicitly about the citizenry, not the government
You can’t scale up one without the other. If you scale up the thing you’re defending then the thing owning the means of defense must also be scaled
I’m not speaking to the second amendment anymore
Not really
That's what the militia is for
It's not like the military is comprised of mercenaries or something, it's comprised of citizens
Yeah the militia is explicitly not a professional government army
Well it is an army, professional definitely questionable as it isn't supposed to be a profession, but "self-regulated" which means a militia can be governmental
Yes and when operating as a military, they are justified in controlling the means to protect an entire nation. If you’re operating as a single citizen, the tenets of self defense would only permit you to control the means to protect yourself or perhaps family members who can’t protect themselves
which is where the national guard theoretically gets its legal basis
Tenants of self defense expand beyond self and family, extends to property, extends to random people who are in immediate danger
You're effectively saying the means of defense should only be proportional to which you are defending
On what basis are you delineating need for weapons? You've stated it strongly enough, certainly, but I'm not seeing the necessity in your argument
Also everyone talks about nukes, but the real issue is chemical weapons they can be produced cheaply and have wide effects. Bio weapons are a huge mixed case, somethings are cheap others extremely expensive. And as far as their area of effective those vastly differ too
Not arguing for owning nukes, but what about owning warships?
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Warship, don't you mean boat with "lethal accessories"?
We need to ban assault canoes
*"You fools"* he chuckled as he walked away, shaking his head...
Power move
that original tweet has some familiar faces, Roaming, Dankula and even Don jr
it's at 20k now
