Message from @grant

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2019-07-31 01:40:06 UTC  

They seem to think Africa will be very profitable. But they also don’t have much concern for human rights so that tends to allow them to keep costs low

2019-07-31 01:40:26 UTC  

China going to learn the lesson the hardway

2019-07-31 01:40:49 UTC  

to be fair those countries also don't care about human rights

2019-07-31 01:41:01 UTC  

I, like most americans, could care less about africa lol

2019-07-31 01:42:20 UTC  

also I was thinking you guys were using the first second and third world model to describe economic success. Thats the only way in which I have heard it used

2019-07-31 01:43:27 UTC  

~~kinda could be perceived that way~~ Soviets were only eating slightly more than africans at the time so

2019-07-31 01:45:16 UTC  

China doesnt really take over the countries though. They take ports and a few key industries and than they have the countries government under control. I have not heard that they get involved in domestic politics or craft legislation.

2019-07-31 01:47:23 UTC  

well, what do you mean by crafting policy. because they get policies crafted that diverst recources towards their projects

2019-07-31 01:47:39 UTC  

or allow them exclusive access to resources

2019-07-31 01:48:45 UTC  

If you just mean like broader social policies or things like income tax then sure, that seems to be the case

2019-07-31 01:51:10 UTC  

I ment apart from that. they dont get involved in how the countries are run they only care for politics when it involves them. So not really taking over the country in a colonial sense and someone implied earlier countries would benefit from the US taking over. If you dont get involved in social policy those peoples lifes wont change. If anything taking the recources will worsen their lot.

2019-07-31 01:51:20 UTC  

Like I said prior, 1st world is allied with the 'states, 2nd world is starvin Ivan's and 3rd world is neutrals

2019-07-31 01:52:27 UTC  

Also the IQ thing is a bit suspect, mostly because you're not controlling for any factors other than "it ain't here"

2019-07-31 01:53:30 UTC  

It's not that you can't unfuck these places, it's that they're not on the right trajectory to unfucking at the moment, barring maybe Chinese colonization, which would be regrettable for other reasons

2019-07-31 01:55:56 UTC  

what do you mean? I dont think you will be able to get a society that you or I would call functioning with a population with an average IQ of 59

2019-07-31 01:57:23 UTC  

you might improve the society if you implement a strucure in which smarter people rule in these places but there will be a ceiling.

2019-07-31 01:57:31 UTC  

a rather low one

2019-07-31 01:57:51 UTC  

While I'm sure IQ varies some regionally, I really have to doubt those studies that say there are countries with sub 60 average IQs. If your society has an average 60 IQ it wouldn't just be a shithole, you would all be dead

2019-07-31 01:58:49 UTC  

have you looked at those people? they can barly speak

2019-07-31 01:58:57 UTC  

their languages are a joke

2019-07-31 01:59:08 UTC  

a quick google search show only one country with an IQ that low

2019-07-31 01:59:34 UTC  

also how do you measure the average iq in those countries

2019-07-31 01:59:36 UTC  

and what would you do with that country?

2019-07-31 01:59:37 UTC  

Anything under 80 I press X to doubt

2019-07-31 02:00:14 UTC  

these people look like animals and animals dont just die

2019-07-31 02:00:35 UTC  

Conquer it.

2019-07-31 02:00:51 UTC  

than you have a shithole

2019-07-31 02:01:02 UTC  

what do you want with it?

2019-07-31 02:01:05 UTC  

Which can be reformed.

2019-07-31 02:01:20 UTC  

It's a shithole because of pre-existing structures.

2019-07-31 02:01:40 UTC  

i don't know about that, the usa, canada, new zealand, and australia were conquered.

2019-07-31 02:02:19 UTC  

So you want to replace the native population?

2019-07-31 02:02:28 UTC  

I think it's a combination of factors

2019-07-31 02:02:54 UTC  

Yes.

2019-07-31 02:04:38 UTC  

Why isnt it possible that the humans of some areas never needed to evolve much more than an ape? It doesnt matter what structures you introduce, these people are not able to live in a civilization.

2019-07-31 02:06:24 UTC  

I think China's goal in Africa, and everywhere else they are involved, is to use those countries for what we use China for.

2019-07-31 02:07:16 UTC  

I think it's more than just cheap labour I think the end goal is to colonise those countries with as many people as they can take

2019-07-31 02:07:32 UTC  

especially the poor

2019-07-31 02:07:58 UTC  

What do you mean, ship off poor chinese people?

2019-07-31 02:08:32 UTC  

they can only build so many mega cities to deal with their massive population of mostly dirt poor people

2019-07-31 02:08:51 UTC  

Those cities are apparently trash, too.