Message from @scaevola

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2019-08-18 09:01:15 UTC  

rules

2019-08-18 09:01:24 UTC  

enforced though violence

2019-08-18 09:01:34 UTC  

delegated by the people

2019-08-18 09:01:51 UTC  

I don't think arresting someone is wrong but it is violent

2019-08-18 09:01:55 UTC  

or can be

2019-08-18 09:03:52 UTC  

we are talking about an ideology though and saying an ideology is inherently violent usually means that it requires constant violent supression of oposition to maintain political power

2019-08-18 09:04:14 UTC  

that sounds bad

2019-08-18 09:04:36 UTC  

that would be facism

2019-08-18 09:05:49 UTC  

do you think a group of people using a fascistic tactic towards fascists is fascist

2019-08-18 09:05:59 UTC  

or makes them fascist

2019-08-18 09:08:04 UTC  

No. Fascism is just a critic of modernity and a rejection of both capitalism and communism as both just two sides of the same materialistic coin. Im not a fascist, but fascism is not just beating someone you dont like and fascism is not the same as national socialism.

2019-08-18 09:09:27 UTC  

Beating people you dont like doesnt make you a fascist, its still wrong though.

2019-08-18 09:10:33 UTC  

wut? no fascism is putting 'us' at the top of power depending on who 'us' is they will use different tools like capitalism just to benefit them until they don't need it anymore. A good example of this is how conservatives are all about corporations and freedom of speech but when push comes to shove they want to nationalise social media because they are getting banned and feel targeted - they are the victims

2019-08-18 09:11:17 UTC  

Have you ever read proto fascists?

2019-08-18 09:12:27 UTC  

the wiki page is really small

2019-08-18 09:13:00 UTC  

And not all right wingers are for nationalisation of social media companies. Im not.

2019-08-18 09:14:02 UTC  

for sure, but it wont stop all of your ring leaders from crying about it. More of a general trend among the grifters

2019-08-18 09:14:16 UTC  

Also did you just say conservatives are fascists?

2019-08-18 09:14:43 UTC  

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2019-08-18 09:15:06 UTC  

it was an example of fascism they use

2019-08-18 09:15:12 UTC  

You gave the example of conservatives when explaining fascism

2019-08-18 09:15:25 UTC  

yea

2019-08-18 09:15:40 UTC  

doesn't make them fascist

2019-08-18 09:15:50 UTC  

depends on how many boxes you check

2019-08-18 09:16:01 UTC  

Trump is doing a good job a checking as many as he can

2019-08-18 09:16:14 UTC  

what are the boxes?

2019-08-18 09:18:07 UTC  

rejection of democracy
arch-individualist
Far-right populism
attacking the media to the point when I have a convo with a conservative and send them an article from a page they don't like they will ignore it
attacking freedom of the press
attacking freedom of speech

2019-08-18 09:19:24 UTC  

"wut? no fascism is putting 'us' at the top of power" Isnt that what the left does? Defining "us" as the working class?

2019-08-18 09:20:20 UTC  

ideally 'working class' would be everyone. But normally it would be a group of people. Also we could add taking away right from minorities to that list above

2019-08-18 09:22:00 UTC  

oh and another good example of giving up on something when it isn't working for you would be Row V Wade for example. That one they are trying to stack the courts for. I thought they loved the consitiution

2019-08-18 09:22:04 UTC  

arch-individualist? Fascism isnt individualist at all. Its all about improving the position of a group/people and everyone even members of that group that stand in the way of this will dealt with in an unkind manner.

2019-08-18 09:23:00 UTC  

What rights has Trump taken away from minorities?

2019-08-18 09:24:16 UTC  

They do love the constitution which is why they want it enforced by stacking the courts with originalists who actually enforce it.

2019-08-18 09:24:43 UTC  

the constitution was meant to be changed

2019-08-18 09:27:26 UTC  

I'll give you the arch individualist one

2019-08-18 09:27:30 UTC  

that was bad

2019-08-18 09:28:11 UTC  

With amendments not by appointing liberal justices. Also you are undermining your previous point. If the constitution was ment to be changed conservatives would be acting accordingly by stacking courts.

2019-08-18 09:28:51 UTC  

and taking away right yes I agree. But also the stacking the courts goes back to my anti democratic statement earlier

2019-08-18 09:29:26 UTC  

obama was blocked by republicans and couldn't fill the seat in the house

2019-08-18 09:31:40 UTC  

removing special protections for transgender people is not taking away their rights. You dont have a right to special treatment just because you claim to be the oposite gender. By removing these protections they are operating by the same rules as all other people. That doesnt sound like its so terrible.