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2019-08-24 05:18:50 UTC  

subdued the countryside

2019-08-24 05:19:16 UTC  

in order to stop it would require a civil war to kill the government

2019-08-24 05:19:24 UTC  

that didn't happen

2019-08-24 05:19:30 UTC  

So which one(s) didn't? Where did people fight back and win?

2019-08-24 05:19:31 UTC  

kulaks were purged

2019-08-24 05:19:48 UTC  

Chechnya?

2019-08-24 05:20:10 UTC  

dont know enough about that as it is more recent and less communist

2019-08-24 05:20:22 UTC  

Ok, so what's a good example?

2019-08-24 05:20:26 UTC  

take south american states or spain

2019-08-24 05:20:44 UTC  

big spanish civil war

2019-08-24 05:20:50 UTC  

take germany also

2019-08-24 05:21:17 UTC  

prevent communist takeover by fighting them off while you still have time

2019-08-24 05:21:28 UTC  

history calls you the bad guy

2019-08-24 05:22:13 UTC  

Does history think ill of Nazis because they fought Communists, or because they tried to create a European empire under German rule?

2019-08-24 05:22:24 UTC  

yes

2019-08-24 05:22:33 UTC  

Because the latter was a dick move.

2019-08-24 05:22:49 UTC  

the answer is yes

2019-08-24 05:23:15 UTC  

when you ask an or question and either is true, the answer is yes

2019-08-24 05:24:01 UTC  

So, I'll ask again, what is this mysterious power that allows Communism to manage to always successfully frame its opponents as evil?

2019-08-24 05:24:06 UTC  

How does that work?

2019-08-24 05:24:56 UTC  

I'd guess that there is a population of people that want communism to win large enough that any story is good enough

2019-08-24 05:25:16 UTC  

But why does that become the Narrative?

2019-08-24 05:25:34 UTC  

because there are so many communists?

2019-08-24 05:25:36 UTC  

Why can't the other side do the same thing? Are there simply more of them?

2019-08-24 05:26:02 UTC  

this gets into the study of late stage civilizations

2019-08-24 05:26:17 UTC  

the internal and external proletariat

2019-08-24 05:26:28 UTC  

Hmm. That would actually make sense with some of the more theoretical work I've been doing

2019-08-24 05:26:42 UTC  

Well, 'work'

2019-08-24 05:26:57 UTC  

More like hypothesizing

2019-08-24 05:27:14 UTC  

late stage civilizations cant convince more people to be in favor than there are opposed

2019-08-24 05:27:33 UTC  

those in opposition seek to end the civilization

2019-08-24 05:27:43 UTC  

thats where we are

2019-08-24 05:28:08 UTC  

Ah, so in the absence of a unifying positive vision, destruction becomes the default consensus

2019-08-24 05:28:16 UTC  

yup

2019-08-24 05:28:26 UTC  

thats where we are

2019-08-24 05:28:30 UTC  

Ok, this fits

2019-08-24 05:28:44 UTC  

Chaos is the natural state of the universe.

2019-08-24 05:29:06 UTC  

Life is also a natural state, and it reverses chaos locally.

2019-08-24 05:29:41 UTC  

accepting that we are in the end, and knowing that it will end, the hope is for the better form to take root

2019-08-24 05:29:50 UTC  

But yes, this fits with my understanding of the life cycle of empire/civilization.

2019-08-24 05:30:12 UTC  

I don't see a better form emerging