Message from @amlam
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GET OUT OF HERE WITH YOUR RACIST FACTS!
Thanks! I’ll give it a read over and see if my views have been changed
married women still want the insurance of government incase of divorce or being widowed
I think women should vote, but we need to change things.
Dunno if it will change your mind. This Harvard research paper was from 1999, before the even more brutal government social programs like VAWA and current state of the family court system, which btw, is being funded by your pensions which should run out by 2030/35, IIRC
@amlam ^^
I don’t have a pension though but that still sucks
Yeah this is a clash of ideas for me. I don’t like the effect of women voting but it’s hard for me to just say that a fully aware adult human being shouldn’t be allowed to have input in how she is governed
the issue is that women don't have the same obligations of men, nor could or should they do the same as men.
you could revisit that when biological men have babies
The realization that men and women are so different has really changed my world view over the past couple years. I used to be hard core libertarian and learning about the differences between male and female temperaments at large really throws a wrench into the hole thing
these obligations or lack there of, motivate men and women differently
Its not a clash of ideas for me, if you are a citizen of the US, you should be able to vote.
But our government needs to stop pandering to poor interests, and we need to work on stopping that with any social program they employ (which yes, is easy to say).
how about limiting the franchise to net taxpayers
That’s like saying a boat should have holes but those holes shouldn’t leak though if Agent Smith is to be believed
Wow @amlam way to look at women just as holes.... Very sexist of you.
*laughs*
a statistcal study done in New Zealand showed that while most men paid more in than they took out, women took like $200k more than they put in
*over a lifetime
I mean women would take out a lot less if they didn’t marry the state. But as long as women vote for the option then I guess that’ll happen
Fuck I think I’m being red pilled
@Agent Smith That happens all around the world (as i'm sure you know), but that just some of the only data we have on it.
yup
don't get me wrong - this also means that men on disability/unemployment benefits also don't get to vote
@amlam Just don't go as far as Blonde, she gets annoying with it sometimes lol
I mean I’m all for tax payers getting more of a vote. You contribute more to the system you should get more of a say. Everyone is subject to the laws of the state so everyone gets a vote for that but not everyone is contributing the funds so those that do should get more say
I guess that’s what lobbying is for though
And campaign donations
Still doesn’t quite make up for it though because you have to spend extra money
You should just be entitled to more vote based on how much you pay in taxes
that would be bad actually amlam
@amlam I'm not really sure that system works well, (i hate to put it like this), but that will be making a tier citizen system.
the rich could theoretically get even richer that way
oh, and @amlam, if those holes are above the waterline, they don't leak
You would have to have a government restricted for it to work. No special favors just deciding where the money goes
honestly we need to get all money out of politics...but that is a pipe dream
When politicians spend money, there will be money in politics
I don't really have a problem with money in politics.
For me it depends where the money comes from.
I find it hard to square the idea that a welfare recipient and a guy who paid 500 grand in taxes get exactly the same vote though. I don’t know what to do about it but that seems retarded