re: RPGs, I would base it specifically on what the mechanics are meant to represent, which is a character separated from the player's ability to play the game, basically

That's not true at all @C1PHER. How can you max out everything when there are fewer and fewer stats to Max with each entry?

lol 😭 lol 😭

You max out all available stats, which are all now based around killing things

hit the attack button for massive damage

That is sad and funny at the same time

That would be close to my definition as well. An RPG is a game where success or failure has more to do with dice rolls than player skill.

Eww.

I actually really like TES3 and KOTOR for that

Relying on dice roll is boring

I hated thay

RNG requires blood sacrifices 😉

Clicking and guaranteeing a hit is predictable

thats fine, but delineation is what makes it an RPG really. Vidya RPGs are an offshoot of D&D

RPGs need to move past dnd roots

Otherwise it's just boring

define "move beyond"

Holy crap. I just realized that by my definition, XCOM is more of an RPG than Dark Souls. I'm actually pretty okay with that.

I could just play Dnd if I wanted to play DnD

you can just play a shooter if you want a shooter

there's no need to "evolve" RPGs into shooters

but shooters are devolving as well

they're in a weird spot right now. I'd argue they had already devolved

but now we're getting some cool shit

Like? I gave up on shooters so have not been following lately

I never said RPGs need to become shooters

a lot of indie titles. Ion Maiden, Dusk, etc

Squad is a good one

sort've not new though

no, I just used shooters as an example because thats the progression for Fallout

from RPG to really simplistic shooter

They gave it more mass appeal. It was a smart move

a smart business move, sure. But that's not what we're talking about

That's right. Your purity tests

Another great argument...

yeah, $$$ != good, fa sho

it's just categorization

similarly, if I talked about my conservative friend, who is an anti constitutional socialist, but they're christian, you'd probably feel like I was taking you for a ride

@wolfman1911 and lol, ive had so many esoteric convos about Dark Souls to the point where people have convinced me not to like it anymore 😢

categories are important for conveying information. The more we dilute categories, the worse our ability to convey what it is we want, or dont want

I've never liked the pacing of Soulsborne