Message from @A. Spader
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Did you not read the rest of his reply?
He did, he just ignored it because he couldn't deflect it.
*bruh moment*
@Fondboy Why should I waste 50 minutes of my life to watch a guy blathering when he’s shown himself to be dishonest within the first 5? I’m giving you a chance to boil whatever valid argument you think he makes down to a size that doesn’t exceed a reasonable person’s threshold for wading through bullshit.
what is dishonest about it?
*bruh*
we could compare political violence if you want
C1pher re state his argument
.................or we could just agree it's bad regardless if you're waving a ranbow or red flag?
"The video was clearly applying a double standard, so everything thereafter is now suspect"
double standard of what
Holding certain groups responsible for acts of violence perpetrated by others on "their side". You could say that both are bad and still be applying logic more fairly
if we compare political violence stats between the leanings?
that wouldn't be true
Specifically Proud Boys vs Antifa?
left and right
by what definitions?
But the specific example was Proud Boys vs Antifa
And Proud Boys are apparently guilty for all right-wing violence while Antifa's hands are clean
That's a clear double standard, and renders the rest of the video suspect
Exactly. It’s changing the scope of definitions to make them include or exclude whatever group you are in favor of or against.
It’s dishonest, lazy, and I see it all the time.
Right wing extremists have a higher body count (in this nation).
Left wing extremists have caused much more economic damage.
Also, right wing extremists are almost unanimously vilified, where there is a growing trend of propping up left wing extremist as heroes, while they exercise their stated goal of preventing anyone who opposes them of exercising their rights.
that's been happening for a long time
"See, they are there to *oppose* facism" by beating the shit out of reporters and citizens while clad in black masks
hell, just use any south american communist dictator from the last 50+ years as an example, and they'll probably be seen as a hero by a frightening number of people
"anti" facists
or, just in america, see the weather underground from the 70s
Is it a surprise progressives have no principles?
our previous president was buddies with one of the weather underground peeps too
even if both sides were to shoulder the weight of political violence
Yes, they’re both bad, But some people seem to have trouble grasping that fact. Many also seem to be unable to grasp the fact that not all “right wing” groups operate the same way or even share many of the same principles.
????
Neither do left wing groups. Some are bad, badder, worse, and the worst.
Like when “right wing” pro-liberty /American values groups get lumped in with hardcore ethnostate proponents. The two have largely opposing views but get lumped together for convenience by dishonest people like the guy in that video we’re talking about.
That would be my main contention - that these people are "right wing" at all
Same.
The ethnostate people love crap like the welfare state, they just want to make sure only people that look like them get it.
It shouldn’t be. When classical liberals are considered right wing, I think it’s a sign the Overton window is shifted way too far.