Message from @Mandatory Carry

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2019-06-11 22:08:34 UTC  

@uncephalized
Fire extinguishers are mandatory home equipment. The precedent is set, whether you "like" it or not.
I said, *"change **MY** mind,"* it's *quite* clear you're incapable of seeing reason.
So. *"change **MY** mind"* or allow me yo stop wasting my time.

@DJ_Anuz
¿Do you have ANY basis for that statement? Millions of people drive everyday, yet there's only hundreds of accidents.
*"Overreaching nanny state."*
Ok. That's *ALMOST* an argument... And would be were it not addressed earlier; *'(B)y the time you complete high school, the graduate would either be qualified for a concealed carry permit or a mandatory exemption.'*
https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/Campaigns/Fire-Sprinkler-Initiative/Legislation-and-adoptions/Sprinkler-requirements (Oddly it's the same NFPA you cited earlier. They should get thier shit in one sock.)
I **DON'T** agree that sprinklers should be required in every home, it's exxecively burdomsome (as it is intended to be, mark my words), but all the states have requirements *of some sort." That dome if your homes didn't only means you were violating a fire code and getting away with it- Like 6Ø-ish% of the rest if the country (myself included at one point).
The burdon of have adequate self-denfensive capabilities v. the benefit (dying v. not) places the greater onus carrying.

2019-06-11 22:19:08 UTC  

<I said, "change MY mind,">

And? I said the same magic words. Are you now under a sorcerous compulsion to do my bidding?

<So. "change MY mind" or allow me yo stop wasting my time.>

You can do whatever you want. No need for permission from me.

2019-06-11 22:20:04 UTC  

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TFW a debate on reverse-gun-control turns into an autistic argument about fire extinguisher laws...

2019-06-11 22:21:27 UTC  

@Mandatory Carry still waiting for evidence that I insulted you or tacitly called you a liar, btw.

2019-06-11 22:27:59 UTC  

Yall were talking about mandatory carry earlier and how to incentivise carrying without penalizing those that dont. The point made about a tax break for those that carry instead of a tax increase for those that dont is good. Like how insurance companies give you a discount for using a dashcam

2019-06-11 22:35:50 UTC  

Also as little as fire extinguishers matter in this discussion, are they really mandatory in location in the US? I know plenty of people that do not have fire extinguishers.

2019-06-11 22:42:09 UTC  

I have never heard of this supposed law requiring them in residences, nor could I find it when I looked, but Mr Mandatory seems adamant on the point.

2019-06-11 22:43:41 UTC  

Btw I agree @Just for youtube [NB1] about subsidizing citizens who carry. I'd allow them to write off periodic safety and marksmanship courses on their taxes.

Also first aid/responder training and that kind of thing.

2019-06-11 22:43:51 UTC  

I've never heard of such a requirement for non-businesses

2019-06-11 22:45:22 UTC  

I would suggest that perhaps a citation is needed on the legal requirement for fire extinguishers

2019-06-11 22:45:55 UTC  

Nuh uh bro, the burden of proof is on you to show that the law *doesn't* exist.

2019-06-11 22:46:21 UTC  

:^)

2019-06-11 22:46:44 UTC  

Snark aside, perhaps @Mandatory Carry would like to cite the legislation mandating fire extinguisher ownership

2019-06-11 22:57:49 UTC  

@Beemann
Already did;
https://www.nfpa.org/Public-Education/Campaigns/Fire-Sprinkler-Initiative/Legislation-and-adoptions/Sprinkler-requirements
I can't go through all 5Ø states and list thier code section, and is *STILL* irrelevant, no matter how uncephalized moves the goal posts;
*"Change **MY** mind"*
At least @DJ_Anuz has brought *some* argument (unfortunately for him, that argument was already at least 3 years old).
@Just for youtube [NB1]
*"That some of your home's didn't only means you were violating a fire code and getting away with it like 6Ø-ish% of the rest of the country myself included at one point)."*
*"Asked And Answered. Twice now."*
*"The point about a tax break for those that carry"*
Was what *I* said... About 3 years ago...
*"instead of a tax increase"*
¿Who said that? Oh right, someone who's not even here...
I know what I said, and strawmanning me isn't helpful.

Nor is reversing the goal posts. All I've seen so far is a bunch of "I don't like it" ism.
... Well **HELL, *I DONT "LIKE" IT EITHER.*** I also don't "like" seat belts and fire extinguishers, but they ARE real things.

BTW, how kind of you to to claim my idea as your own, @uncephalized. 😠😠😠😠

2019-06-11 22:59:27 UTC  

This source shows that only like 3 regions have mandated it, and only in new homes

2019-06-11 23:00:06 UTC  

¿Did you read it?

2019-06-11 23:01:38 UTC  

Yes
"States/regions *requiring* fire sprinklers in *new*, one- and two-family homes: CA, MD, Washington, D.C.   "
"States *prohibiting* statewide and new, local adoptions of fire sprinkler requirements in new, one- and two-family homes: AK, AL, AZ, CT, DE, GA, HI, ID, IN, KS, KY, LA, MA, MI, MN, MO, NH, NJ, NY, NC, ND, OH, PA, SC, TX, UT, VA, WV, WI "

2019-06-11 23:03:52 UTC  

I doubt you're going to sway people here by citing California laws as well

2019-06-11 23:07:53 UTC  

Not about to cite THAT state. I'd rather die first.
Tell me ONE state that does not have a residential fire extinguisher code.

2019-06-11 23:08:32 UTC  

According to your source, every state in the second quote prohibits sprinkler requirements

2019-06-11 23:09:08 UTC  

Prohibiting sprinklers, *THAT'S* a new one.

2019-06-11 23:09:31 UTC  

In fact there's multiple limitations here
1) it's for new homes, and is not retroactive
2) it's only enforced by 2 states and a city
3) one of those states is commiefornia

Prohibits requirements. Don't skim

2019-06-11 23:10:32 UTC  

*Tell me ONE state that does not have a residential fire extinguisher code.*

Jesus, ¿do I **REALLY** have to point it out?

2019-06-11 23:11:34 UTC  

So are we counting prohibition of a requirement as a code? That's shifting goalposts considerably

2019-06-11 23:11:50 UTC  

No, please, @Beemann, prove you're as smart as I think you are...

2019-06-11 23:12:01 UTC  

Read your own source and come back to me

2019-06-11 23:13:19 UTC  

¿Is a sprinkler a fire extinguisher?
Damn guys, I bread crumbed the SHIT out of that trail...
And STILL, nothing to even generally change my mind...

2019-06-11 23:13:39 UTC  

No

2019-06-11 23:13:45 UTC  

That's a code for new homes built

2019-06-11 23:13:49 UTC  

A sprinkler is meant to extinguish fires
And if you're not going to count it, you're still on the hook for a source

2019-06-11 23:13:53 UTC  

Like cars after 1965 are required to have seatbelts

2019-06-11 23:13:59 UTC  

I do not need extinguishers in my home

2019-06-11 23:14:17 UTC  

Cars *built* after 1965

2019-06-11 23:14:22 UTC  

@Just for youtube [NB1]
Great, ¿what magical state is this?

2019-06-11 23:14:26 UTC  

You're trying to do this 4D chess shit but it's not working. You're just looking foolish

2019-06-11 23:14:28 UTC  

California

2019-06-11 23:14:34 UTC  

Theres no sprinklers in my home

2019-06-11 23:14:53 UTC  

I have those red fire extinguishers but I dont know of any law that requires I own them

2019-06-11 23:14:59 UTC  

Or get them checked every year

2019-06-11 23:15:12 UTC  

Like there is at my place of employment

2019-06-11 23:15:19 UTC  

Their extinguishers are checked annually