Not Ever Person Is You. heh

This doesn't change that argument if you made a better choice, many people didn't. What do we do about that? (and remember, saying nothing doesn't fix the problem)

Okay we should start by preventing the problem from happening to more people. We won't fix the problem by trying to bandaid it after they already made the mistake. They need to be trained to not make the mistake.

I'm literally sitting at a graduation party with my liberal extended family telling my sister that she can go do ancient history studies or whatever and she's going to be fine. That's what has to stop, not the interest. It's happening right this moment

You not making the same mistake doesn't fix other peoples problems.
Other people learning from these mistakes doesn't fix other people who already made mistakes problem.
Do you have any idea's for fixing people who are in troublesome positions right now, when all they did was listen to society, other then "Sucks for them"?

Yes but more people not making the mistake fixes the other people's future problems

I dont have much of an answer for how to fix all the problems that people have already got themselves into

so @Shadows demands social justice as well :)

Here's another way to look at it. How come we think buying a house in 30 years is an okay idea but paying off a 36k student loan is not achievable. what separates them in terms of achievability?

@Just for youtube [NB1] that's exactly what i said before, step one is stop the bleed then we can worry about healing the wound

Yeah we can heal the wound

Fine by me

Stop the bleeding first

I, DJ as well as the 3 of you said those things. Can we stop repeating it....

@Putz If society creates a problem, society has no burden to fix it?

that would be social justice, but then wear is my social justice for having to pay for someone else's higher education?

Wow.

regardless of indoctrination, i never had an opportunity to remove the pen from that hand, only the person taking the loan had the opportunity to read it and reject the terms

so how is it moral to take my $1 a way to pay for this issue

I'm very happy you made better choices in your life. Does that help other people who might be failing?
Also, how many times have i said this, i'm not advocating for his idea, i'm asking if you have something better then "Sucks to be them".

i have presented many better ideas

You did list 4 things, i'm not sure why they would be better but i'll have to also think about those.

I don't even see how I'm a part of this

also its a debate about whether a freeze on interest accruing after 10 years is the best solution for resolving student loan debt (which was never clearly defined but last i was able to gather from DJ_Anuz). if the freeze is based off of government (and which level) regulation or something companies would do as a marketing strategy was never defined

It was someone asking to work out his idea, and you did very little to understand it or offer up anything really useful. Which is fine, its not really yours to contend with, but it was annoying how much you kept not understanding.

there are many approaches to win the debate, only one would be required to shift audiences position as to the freeze being the best solution:

- Does society owe it the students to bear the burden of their debt
- Current systems are in place that already aid in recovering student loan debt, should the be expanded
- Can the money used to support a freeze program be better spent elsewhere
- If society does owe it to the students to bear the burden of the debt, is there any alternative solution that makes more sense fiscally or socially
- does the program incentivize bad actions (like making minimum payments vs working to pay down debt early)
- etc etc etc

i understand his concept, which is simply a complicated way of getting society to shoulder a portion of the debt. It can be replaced by many other methods including lower interest rates

How does not paying interest after 10 years on debt that the individual will still have to pay = Society has to pay for it.

because society (the lender) has their money depreciated for 20 years without compensation and that money can be used for alternative investments with greater rates of return

a part of that interest payment is covering the devaluation of the dollar over time

So money that doesn't need to exist hurts everyone else who may or may not find use for it later down the road?

that $1 today that isn't repaid, could have been used to pay down national debt for an example

it has alternative uses that have higher rates of return

Are banks paying down national debt?

no but they get their money from the fed

As of July 8, 2016, the federal government owned approximately $1 trillion in outstanding consumer debt

Cool.

That figure was up from less than $150 billion in January 2009, representing a nearly 600% increase over that time span. The main culprit is student loans, which the federal government effectively monopolized in 2010

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/personal-finance/081216/who-actually-owns-student-loan-debt.asp

None of this is a great argument against his idea....I'll stick to your other 4 alternatives.

the alternative uses of that money is a valid argument for why the idea may not be the best use of $1

Helping people now vs money that might be used for other things down the road that we don't know anything about yet.

Yep it is an option...