that is to say, the Nazis called themselves socialists without having the government run the industries

yes

they let capital owners work with them

@Deleted User back to my previous question, what is the distinction in your mind between a 'nazi' and a conservative

I had to do a lot of looking into this recently because people like ben shapiro and SCrowder keep saying this

oh distinction?

between the two

commitment

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jk

"The term "National Socialism" arose out of attempts to create a nationalist redefinition of "socialism", as an alternative to both Marxist international socialism and free market capitalism. "

@Green Syndicalism right

I think conservatives are closer to fascism than nazis

it was also because socialism was all the rage and guiding the current is often easier than fighting it

the difference is meh

nazis are fascists

@Deleted User then what's the difference between a conservative and a facist?

yes but nazis are a sect

eugenic fascism

whereas true conservatives arent ultranationalist or jingoistic

true conservatives dont want authoritarianism

According to who?

true *american* conservatism

i dont know any definition of conservatism which has those traits

conservatism, to me, is just traditional western/christian values + parliamentary democracy

this economic free market shit is actually called liberalism/classical liberalism

yeah that's closer to Western Conservatism than American Conservatism

and, as an ideology, these "conservatives" are really just liberal conservatives

^^^^^

who value some of the same things as Western Conservatives

the rule of law, religion, etc

anti change

@Deleted User pretty shallow

also what's your answer to my question?

well conserve?

that ties into the traditionalist lanes in conservatism

so ye

conserving need not be at odds with change

well it is

and has been throughout american history with reactionary backlash in every rights movement

conserving freedom is a constant fight *for* change to the current system