No. Not always. Meta studies can be useful to compile the results of studies.

Nobody who understands what's going on claims that a meta study is deliberately a scientific study.

Also my study doesn't matter. Actions are morally neutral and you need to give a reason why something is bad, so she had burden of proof for suicide rates which I instantly explained was miscited

Oh please. shifting the goal posts

>actions are morally neutral

Thoughts on Hate crimes then?

Yeah, I can't grok it

Also, how often does 'was a transgender' get checked in the suicide report

Can anyone really have this number?

The citation you give is actually like 96 citations, of which I've already found a handful that dont support the claims made by the metastudy, but much of the info is paywalled

The metastudy doesn't even give a wellbeing definition

The burden of proof is on the people advocating irreversible surgeries

okay, so listening to the segment in question, there's some more misleading language used here

the conversation turned to transitioning *children* which your metastudy explicitly excludes

the data on children is *very* different

According to what he said on the call, the definition of 'well being' is answering yes when someone asks if you are okay.

That he can't figure out why that is laughable is legitimately concerning.

"you don't have to have gender dysphoria to be trans" - um yes you do.

Otherwise, gender is just a fashion choice

YUP

it is a set of social norms

tbh I think a lot of the gender debate is driven by an extremely autistic view of masculinity and femininity

and I dont mean autistic for the meme

example?

I think people are associating, for instance, "camp" or tomboyish behaviour as being "another gender"
this is actually corroborated, at least in children, by research

many children who "grow out" of dysphoria end up just being gay

there's also a potential "social" aspect to symptoms of gender dysphoria

with ROGD

yes it is a good thing we do thing to harm them if they decide against transitioning

wot

Transitioning is a problem in itself.

yeah, but you said actions are morally neutral so explain how this action is good if you believe actions are also morally neutral. @Fondboy

Who wants to bet that he's about to claim that puberty blockers don't have any bad side effects?

@Fondboy
“I want to pause here and talk about this notion of consensus, and the rise of what has been called consensus science. I regard consensus science as an extremely pernicious development that ought to be stopped cold in its tracks. Historically, the claim of consensus has been the first refuge of scoundrels; it is a way to avoid debate by claiming that the matter is already settled. Whenever you hear the consensus of scientists agrees on something or other, reach for your wallet, because you’re being had. Let’s be clear: the work of science has nothing whatever to do with consensus. Consensus is the business of politics. Science, on the contrary, requires only one investigator who happens to be right, which means that he or she has results that are verifiable by reference to the real world. In science consensus is irrelevant. What is relevant is reproducible results. The greatest scientists in history are great precisely because they broke with the consensus. There is no such thing as consensus science. If it’s consensus, it isn’t science. If it’s science, it isn’t consensus. Period.”
-Dr. Michael CRICHTON, MD (RIP)

Scientific consensus is dependent on the consensus of collected data, not from people agreeing with each other

Ok, what proof would look like is if you got a large random sample of transgenders, then half physically transition, and half do psychotherapy, and in ten years there are significantly lower suicides among the transitioners, you actually have a data point

I'm looking, but seeing nothing that looks like actual data points

All that seems sure is that those who go through transitions still have much higher suicide rates than the general population

I think you would have some major ethical concerns with conducting a study like that.

I can't hlep but think people giving out money would balk at the part of your plan where you talk about "and then years later we tally up the number of people from each group that have committed suicide."

Oh, apparently we have a scientist to contradict the doctor.
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