Socialism is a misguided pathway, regardless. But, yes, terminology does get muddy.

Maybe @Mandatory Carry can explain it.

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Socialism is such a broad term nowadays it's almost lost its meaning

Prolly

Yes.

As if it helps.

Socialism is easiest to understand as a transitionary state into communist utopia that never seems to make it beyond transitioning

Marxism explicitly identifies Socialism as the transitional form between capitalism and communism.

Funny that

Ah @Beemann beat me to it.

Indeed.

But socialist tendances are found in facists as much as communists

Let the segue begin!

Yes, because fascists employ socialist economic theories as well as more market driven ones

The goal of fascism is the preservation of the state

Wherein all component parts exist in service of the greater whole

Facists are therefore less dogmatic in their application of tyranny

I thought the goal of fascism was beating people with bundles of sticks?

@A. Spader both are authoritarian systems and imo the biggest difference is nationalism vs internationalism.

I dont think they're less dogmatic at all

I would suggest that they merely have a more nebulous goal

My point being the facist will tyrannize any way he can whereas the communist uses only the state as his engine of oppression

Ah, well that's not really true either

In what way do Fascists use non-state oppression?

They really seem very similar to me.

Corporatist

USSR had their own issues with Jews, for instance

How is corporatism fascism?

Corporations are state-controlled under Fascism just like in Socialism though.

The corporations are simply being used as an arm of the state.

That's what I'm saying

But that's still the state then isn't it?

So the main difference is that Commies dissolve corporations and control their workers directly while Fascies keep corporate structure and control their workers indirectly?

at least in my view, yes

Communism relies on heavy social pressure though

Ok. That doesn't seem like a very important distinction to me.

Aren't there differences too in whether class or race is a focus?

modern China, for instance, is more a facist government than a communist one

So does Fascism @Beemann. Hypernationalism, Hitler Youth, etc

Race isn't necessarily a focus