Message from @Beemann

Discord ID: 630513384546107412


2019-10-06 21:01:28 UTC  

Much of the Bible is humans screwing up somehow

2019-10-06 21:02:30 UTC  

It still has a glaring problem imo. How do we not know that the law we currently have is only a stepping stone to the true gospel? Christ intended to have the 12 apostles continue calling new apostles to replace themselves.

2019-10-06 21:03:02 UTC  

Christians have to accept that their current moral standards are likely inferior to what would be revealed when Christ comes again.

2019-10-06 21:03:44 UTC  

And that still doesn't instill confidence in the consistency of Christian/religious morals if it's dependent on what morality humans can accept.

2019-10-06 21:03:49 UTC  

Now God need to create the circumstances for Himself to enter the world and die. Is the land where I chose to be born occupied we need to vacate that. is this people ruling over the people that i chose to be born i need to free them

2019-10-06 21:04:27 UTC  

so what you are seeing in the old testament is God messing with normal day to day life in order to die on a cross

2019-10-06 21:05:21 UTC  

now Christ already die for everyone there is no need of overruling

2019-10-06 21:06:58 UTC  

But it was not in condemnation that He needed to act was to put in motion His plan.

2019-10-06 21:07:46 UTC  

I don't have confidence in that ends justify the means mentality.

2019-10-06 21:08:17 UTC  

what does that sentence even mean?

2019-10-06 21:09:14 UTC  

Ends justify means is a term used to describe people that will commit any number of terrible things to accomplish their goal.

2019-10-06 21:09:42 UTC  

God of the universe was willing to die for his creatures and to give us a path to redemption. How can you say "i WouLdn't dO It thAt WaY?"

2019-10-06 21:10:13 UTC  

It's the things prior to Christ coming that are the means I can't justify.

2019-10-06 21:10:55 UTC  

It's only moving the pieces arround

2019-10-06 21:11:46 UTC  

I don't believe that any God that views it's sentient creations as pieces to move around is worthy of my worship, nor does he love his creations.

2019-10-06 21:11:58 UTC  

I wouldn't harm my children just because they disobey me.

2019-10-06 21:14:01 UTC  

Yes. but your children are not condemned to eternal damnation if you don't do nothing. God child were

2019-10-06 21:14:36 UTC  

which is a situation He created, ultimately

2019-10-06 21:14:51 UTC  

why?

2019-10-06 21:14:51 UTC  

According to modern Christian tenants, (outside of Mormons that I'm aware of) anyone killed in their sins are cut off from repentance.

2019-10-06 21:15:05 UTC  

what do you mean why?

2019-10-06 21:15:20 UTC  

Killing the cananites was condemning them to eternal damnation with no chance for redemption, even though they were probably products of their cultures.

2019-10-06 21:15:31 UTC  

@DJ_Anuz incorrect

2019-10-06 21:15:42 UTC  

That's not quite how that works

2019-10-06 21:16:11 UTC  

So there is repentance after death @A. Spader ?

2019-10-06 21:16:51 UTC  

No, merely that you can be sinning or sinful and if you asked forgiveness before death, that's what counts

2019-10-06 21:17:07 UTC  

Following my evangelical tradition I know that in the day i Die I will not be blameless. Christ willl. And he will take my place in the judgement day.

2019-10-06 21:17:12 UTC  

I'm at work I'll have to come back to this

2019-10-06 21:17:23 UTC  

The cananites didn't have a chance...

2019-10-06 21:17:47 UTC  

What if you lived before Christ came? Or never accepted him or was baptized?

2019-10-06 21:18:52 UTC  

Why is it wrong for God to send people to hell?

2019-10-06 21:19:31 UTC  

Because you're creating a child that will grow up in a culture that inevitably will cause them to sin, and then sending them to suffer eternally.

2019-10-06 21:19:44 UTC  

Might as well throw them straight into hell at that point.

2019-10-06 21:19:57 UTC  

Why even bother creating them on Earth

2019-10-06 21:20:06 UTC  

what i did mean with why is @Beemann is there are atributes of God that he cannot change.

2019-10-06 21:20:13 UTC  

That’s not an argument

2019-10-06 21:20:16 UTC  

Plus close to 100% of society never accepted Christ in their life.

2019-10-06 21:20:22 UTC  

So what?

2019-10-06 21:20:38 UTC  

Okay yeah. If I create a living being and torture it eternally, I think that would make me a shitty creator.

2019-10-06 21:20:46 UTC  

Why is God obligated to catering to your sensibilities

2019-10-06 21:20:50 UTC  

If you don't think that's bad, we'll never agree.