Message from @Beemann
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Much of the Bible is humans screwing up somehow
It still has a glaring problem imo. How do we not know that the law we currently have is only a stepping stone to the true gospel? Christ intended to have the 12 apostles continue calling new apostles to replace themselves.
Christians have to accept that their current moral standards are likely inferior to what would be revealed when Christ comes again.
And that still doesn't instill confidence in the consistency of Christian/religious morals if it's dependent on what morality humans can accept.
Now God need to create the circumstances for Himself to enter the world and die. Is the land where I chose to be born occupied we need to vacate that. is this people ruling over the people that i chose to be born i need to free them
so what you are seeing in the old testament is God messing with normal day to day life in order to die on a cross
now Christ already die for everyone there is no need of overruling
But it was not in condemnation that He needed to act was to put in motion His plan.
I don't have confidence in that ends justify the means mentality.
what does that sentence even mean?
Ends justify means is a term used to describe people that will commit any number of terrible things to accomplish their goal.
God of the universe was willing to die for his creatures and to give us a path to redemption. How can you say "i WouLdn't dO It thAt WaY?"
It's the things prior to Christ coming that are the means I can't justify.
It's only moving the pieces arround
I don't believe that any God that views it's sentient creations as pieces to move around is worthy of my worship, nor does he love his creations.
I wouldn't harm my children just because they disobey me.
Yes. but your children are not condemned to eternal damnation if you don't do nothing. God child were
which is a situation He created, ultimately
why?
According to modern Christian tenants, (outside of Mormons that I'm aware of) anyone killed in their sins are cut off from repentance.
Killing the cananites was condemning them to eternal damnation with no chance for redemption, even though they were probably products of their cultures.
That's not quite how that works
So there is repentance after death @A. Spader ?
No, merely that you can be sinning or sinful and if you asked forgiveness before death, that's what counts
Following my evangelical tradition I know that in the day i Die I will not be blameless. Christ willl. And he will take my place in the judgement day.
I'm at work I'll have to come back to this
The cananites didn't have a chance...
What if you lived before Christ came? Or never accepted him or was baptized?
Why is it wrong for God to send people to hell?
Because you're creating a child that will grow up in a culture that inevitably will cause them to sin, and then sending them to suffer eternally.
Might as well throw them straight into hell at that point.
Why even bother creating them on Earth
what i did mean with why is @Beemann is there are atributes of God that he cannot change.
That’s not an argument
Plus close to 100% of society never accepted Christ in their life.
So what?
Okay yeah. If I create a living being and torture it eternally, I think that would make me a shitty creator.
Why is God obligated to catering to your sensibilities
If you don't think that's bad, we'll never agree.