Message from @DJ_Anuz

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2019-10-06 21:40:29 UTC  

@ThePortugueseGuy that's not backed by scripture.

2019-10-06 21:40:34 UTC  

Do you have a verse for that. I'm not saying I don't believe what you're saying but I'm having trouble remembering that specifically in the Easter story

2019-10-06 21:40:45 UTC  

I am sure

2019-10-06 21:41:41 UTC  

i'll be back with the verse if you want

2019-10-06 21:43:07 UTC  

psalm 90:4 " 4 For a thousand years in your sight are but as yesterday when it is past, or as a watch in the night."

2019-10-06 21:43:50 UTC  

should have @'ed DJ. I was talking about what he was saying about the interaction between Jesus and Mary

2019-10-06 21:45:01 UTC  

i was @'ed so i did quote

2019-10-06 21:45:29 UTC  

@Draco552 sorry had to find it. Gimme a moment.

2019-10-06 21:45:35 UTC  

It's all good

2019-10-06 21:48:00 UTC  

Luke 23:42 And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.

John 20:17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

2019-10-06 21:48:19 UTC  

please use ESV

2019-10-06 21:48:40 UTC  

that is the kind of english that i cannot read

2019-10-06 21:49:03 UTC  

i will search No problem

2019-10-06 21:49:22 UTC  

@ThePortugueseGuy due to the poetic nature of Psalms they're not always a great source of definitive doctrine imo, and a lot of them contradict each other.

2019-10-06 21:49:22 UTC  

@ThePortugueseGuy learn to KJV heathen! :P

2019-10-06 21:50:23 UTC  

We do have in portuguese some KJV like translation and i do know the verses that way

2019-10-06 21:50:42 UTC  

but old kjv is always a struggle

2019-10-06 21:50:57 UTC  

Lol the KJV is dying. Sadly.

2019-10-06 21:51:05 UTC  

More modern translations lose so much symbolism.

2019-10-06 21:51:40 UTC  

Modern translations of numbers kill me. The entire purpose and meaning of those scriptures are lost when put into simple language.

2019-10-06 21:51:58 UTC  

esv is not that bad

2019-10-06 21:52:07 UTC  

it's not the amplified

2019-10-06 21:52:16 UTC  

There's no reason you have to change the meaning of the text just because you change thee and thine to you and yours

2019-10-06 21:52:39 UTC  

Sitteth to sits and spake to spoke

2019-10-06 21:52:41 UTC  

It's not so much that, they will rewrite the sequence of the words.

2019-10-06 21:52:48 UTC  

Yeah that annoys me.

2019-10-06 21:53:02 UTC  

So instead of 6 poles by 8 sheaves they do 8 sheaves with 6 poles.

2019-10-06 21:53:09 UTC  

DESTROYING THE SYMBOLIC NATURE!

2019-10-06 21:53:14 UTC  

But the entire classical poetic tradition of English is dying, not just scripture.

2019-10-06 21:53:52 UTC  

every single measurement of the Tabernacle is intentionally placed, and not for engineering reasons.

2019-10-06 21:57:01 UTC  

I looked up the verses, just to make sure there isn't extra context furrowed away somewhere (It's been to long since I've opened my bible) and also to get it in a slightly different translation (NIV shitter here). All I can say is that its interesting and that I'm going to bring it up with my dad later and see what he has to say and make him put his 8(?) years of schooling to use

2019-10-06 21:59:46 UTC  

Haha let me know what he says. Is he a pastor?

2019-10-06 22:01:39 UTC  

I will, and he is. It's fun to be able to talk theology on the car rides home sometimes

2019-10-06 22:04:18 UTC  

i have a video with a robot voice that reads a good article but is so shitty that i do not want to send but this teological point checks out with what I believe

2019-10-06 22:05:01 UTC  

i am searching for the article

2019-10-06 22:07:38 UTC  

but good question @DJ_Anuz

2019-10-06 22:09:07 UTC  

I just like stirring thought. Even if it can come across antagonistic lol. That wasn't my intent.

2019-10-06 22:10:59 UTC  

i did find the answer of the video

2019-10-06 22:11:00 UTC  

How do you reconcile Luke 23:43, where Jesus said to one of the thieves on the cross "today you will be with me in paradise," with John 20:17, where we are told that on the third day after His death "I have not yet returned to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God"? In the latter passage, it seems that Christ has not yet gone to paradise.

Theologians have different views as to how this question should be answered. The following is a well-accepted explanation. In Luke 16:22-26, we see that hades (the equivalent of sheol in the Old Testament) is divided into two separate realms: "hell," where the unrighteous go after death; and "paradise" or "Abraham's Bosom," the place of rest for the righteous. The two realms together comprised hades -- though they were separated by a great chasm or gulf that could not be bridged by inhabitants of either side.

Christ descended into the "paradise" compartment of hades when He died (1 Pet. 3:18-20), and when the thief on the cross died he went there too. Thus, the thief was with Christ that day in paradise, yet Christ had not yet ascended into heaven.

When Christ did ascend into heaven (John 20:17), He took the rest of the inhabitants of paradise (i.e., all the Old Testament saints) with Him (Eph. 4:8-9) -- including the thief on the cross. So, there is no contradiction between Luke 23:43 and John 20:17.