How do you reconcile Luke 23:43, where Jesus said to one of the thieves on the cross "today you will be with me in paradise," with John 20:17, where we are told that on the third day after His death "I have not yet returned to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God"? In the latter passage, it seems that Christ has not yet gone to paradise.

Theologians have different views as to how this question should be answered. The following is a well-accepted explanation. In Luke 16:22-26, we see that hades (the equivalent of sheol in the Old Testament) is divided into two separate realms: "hell," where the unrighteous go after death; and "paradise" or "Abraham's Bosom," the place of rest for the righteous. The two realms together comprised hades -- though they were separated by a great chasm or gulf that could not be bridged by inhabitants of either side.

Christ descended into the "paradise" compartment of hades when He died (1 Pet. 3:18-20), and when the thief on the cross died he went there too. Thus, the thief was with Christ that day in paradise, yet Christ had not yet ascended into heaven.

When Christ did ascend into heaven (John 20:17), He took the rest of the inhabitants of paradise (i.e., all the Old Testament saints) with Him (Eph. 4:8-9) -- including the thief on the cross. So, there is no contradiction between Luke 23:43 and John 20:17.

http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-nwsl/web/crn0032a.html

*"So instead of 6 poles by 8 sheaves they do 8 sheaves with 6 poles./DESTROYING THE SYMBOLIC NATURE!"*
A msg that can not be decph is not rcvd,
And if you can translate that, you understand why 8×6 is the same as 6×8 to me.

Or perhaps it's if you *CAN'T* "decrp.* 😲

Ponytails are the superior female hairstyle

fite me

explain urself

Ponytails are great for three reasons

1) Practicality

>inb4 too lazy to grab her hair the normal way

The fact that the hair is tied up and out of the way makes activities, especially strenuous ones, much easier to perform

Whether sports, chores, whatever

2) Femininity

Fact that the lady can still have long hair despite the above is _great_

3) Nape exposure

which cunt doesn't like seeing the nape of the neck

I will absolutely fite you irl

Long hair with slight wave, volume and M bangs is best. Don't you want to be enveloped by soft, nice-smelling hair?

See, that is made possible because of the ponytail

She can wear a ponytail at work and keep that hair

instead of having to cut glorious hair

I'm with you there. Long hair is best

Mmmmm

@DJ_Anuz just now got to talk to him and he was pretty tired, but his answer (boiled down to what I can remember and paraphrase) was that it's not impossible, but that when he reads the verse about Mary he has always seen it as more of what you mentioned the modern translations use (clingy). It is interesting though so thanks for bringing it up

@Mandatory Carry the sequence of numbers in Hebrew can drastically alter the symbolic meaning.

@DJ_Anuz...
I didn't know that.

Could fill a book...........

or binders

Was that a Mitt Romney reference?

Not that it matters, no.
It was a cheap shot at me... But it was both true and funny. 😉

lol

It was a Mitt reference

and a cheap shot

Mandatory DM me

Both then. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

hello

@Beemann yesterday I did miss your response to what I said. So God is all powerful yet He is also righteous so He is binded by His own nature to not be tyrannical. And He is perfect and He cannot be with sinners. So it's only ultimately a problem created by God if God create Himself and picked all His attributes

Well he can be with sinners if they repent, no? But there's a cutoff for repentance, isn't there?

@ThePortugueseGuy, Jesus came not to rescue the saved but the lost. ¿How would he do that but yo go delibrately looking for them?
*"I never let you down,
"Even when I should..."*

@Beemann @Mandatory Carry
So... I see what I did wrong. God cannot be with unredeemed sinners ( for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
Romans 3:23 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/rom.3.23.ESV ) but for those who believe we will not be unredeemed in the day we are alongside with the Father. Because the blood of Christ redeemed us. (and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, Romans 3:24 ESV https://bible.com/bible/59/rom.3.24.ESV)
So running back to my main point God cannot lie for example.
God cannot NOT do justice. that is why not condemning the sinners was not on the menu. He did somehow allow that Jesus Himself bore our sin and that was good enough for Him. (whom God put forward as a propitiation by his blood, to be received by faith. This was to show God's righteousness, because in his divine forbearance he had passed over former sins. It was to show his righteousness at the present time, so that he might be just and the justifier of the one who has faith in Jesus. Romans 3:25-26 ESV https://www.bible.com/bible/59/rom.3.25-26.ESV).
I was not doing a point about salvation that's why I didn't bother to detail. But I would never say there is no path to redemption for sinners. If Christ had came to earth to save only the ones who never sinned, He may as well stay at home.

My point was less so about the option for redemption, more so for the cutoff, which I understand to be a point of contention

If the cutoff is when you die, it's inherently unjust.