Message from @Just for youtube [NB1]

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2019-10-08 21:26:03 UTC  

That you're argument this entire time has been making me justify your position.

2019-10-08 21:26:44 UTC  

Okay let's go by objective standards. God's own moral standards contradict each other depending on where in the Bible you're reading.

2019-10-08 21:27:00 UTC  

I don't need to say his morality is correct to recognize it changes.

2019-10-08 21:27:02 UTC  

i'm gonna be honest idk what's even happening

2019-10-08 21:28:19 UTC  

Legalize is trying to deflect from my core question, which is how God can be a consistent standard of morality when even he sets different standards depending on the time period.

Why is it not okay to go on a genocidal spree against the heathens today, but it was in Joshua?

2019-10-08 21:28:52 UTC  

okay but then there was all this subjective talk

2019-10-08 21:29:16 UTC  

Yeah because he kept demanding I provide an objective standard for morality.

2019-10-08 21:29:21 UTC  

And there isn't.

2019-10-08 21:29:28 UTC  

Even amongst Christianity.

2019-10-08 21:30:00 UTC  

right, there isn't

2019-10-08 21:30:07 UTC  

same with just and right

2019-10-08 21:30:20 UTC  

i can't prove something is just

2019-10-08 21:30:45 UTC  

But you can using the modern understanding of what is just according to the west.

2019-10-08 21:30:53 UTC  

and moral as well

2019-10-08 21:31:56 UTC  

I never made a claim about definitive morality. I can observe when one's own morality is contradictory without having to accept morality is objective.

2019-10-08 21:32:52 UTC  

I can objectively state:

The Christian standard of morals, and the morals given to the Israelites in Joshua are contradictory. Therefore, "God" isn't a consistent standard for morality.

2019-10-08 21:34:01 UTC  

i'm not sure how DJ couldn't objectively state that

2019-10-08 21:34:37 UTC  

what's wrong about that statement

2019-10-08 21:34:41 UTC  

the morals are contradictory

2019-10-08 21:34:44 UTC  

I'm not making an argument on moral grounds.

2019-10-08 21:34:52 UTC  

the morals given are contradictory

2019-10-08 21:34:55 UTC  

is he wrong?

2019-10-08 21:35:25 UTC  

today's christian standard vs the standard given to the isrealites

2019-10-08 21:35:29 UTC  

right?

2019-10-08 21:37:18 UTC  

this has been going on for like 3 days so i didn't see where he made claims about his own morality

2019-10-08 21:38:03 UTC  

Back up a bit. In what way is the morality of God contradictory old testament to new?

2019-10-08 21:38:39 UTC  

Would you say that it would be moral by today's Christian standards to go through several Muslim cities and murder every man woman and child?

2019-10-08 21:39:11 UTC  

If not, then the book of Joshua contradicts the morals set forth by God after Christ.

2019-10-08 21:40:03 UTC  

And if I made an argument off my own morality, then it was unintentional. @Legalize

2019-10-08 21:40:33 UTC  

By what do we derive the word christian?

2019-10-08 21:40:48 UTC  

Christ

2019-10-08 21:41:37 UTC  

no it doesn't

2019-10-08 21:41:49 UTC  

I'm not even arguing if the acts taken place in the book of Joshua are moral or not. Just that according to Christ, (the same God) it is immoral.

2019-10-08 21:41:59 UTC  

^

2019-10-08 21:42:14 UTC  

i haven't seen him arguing whether they're moral or not

2019-10-08 21:42:14 UTC  

There is a reason the Jews worship Jehovah and Christ says his name is Jehovah.

2019-10-08 21:42:19 UTC  

The covenant thay christ made with the church is not the same one God made with Abraham

2019-10-08 21:42:34 UTC  

That does not make them contradictory

2019-10-08 21:43:01 UTC  

Regardless. Jehovah commanded the mass genocide of the cananites which would contradict his own moral standards according to Christian's today.

2019-10-08 21:43:14 UTC  

What about Matthew 5:17 though

2019-10-08 21:43:48 UTC  

It wasn't just that the Israelites wanted to conquer the cananites. They were commanded to do so. Jehovah could have brought them to new land if he wanted to and avoided conflict.