Right, and throwing people in the Gulags isn't immoral too.

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1: I never made a moral claim. I made a claim about justice, and my first post starting this was that Joshua CONTRADICTS the morality of the NT.

God's own morals are contradictory depending on where in the Bible you're reading. So on an objective level, you can make the claim that God's own morals are subjective.

3: I'm not the one claiming my morals are absolute. You are.

Unless you want to make the argument that according to the modern Christian standard, genocide is totally cool, so long as it's sinners.

Except you haven't answered my initial question that started this thing. You're whole argument this entire time has been "no you."

I ask "hey, isn't God contradicting his own morals?"

You reply with "well how do you know what's moral of God doesn't tell you so?"

And when I say unjust, I'm using the modern western understanding of what constitutes justice.

So let's go by that standard. You are a teenager with no understanding of your states roadkill laws, so you take a deer you hit with your car home with you.

When the cops (God) finds out. You're thrown in torture prison for life.

Yeah but I can point out the hypocrisy and still have a valid point.

When did I say "no you?"

???

That wasn't me making an argument

That was an observation.

That you're argument this entire time has been making me justify your position.

Okay let's go by objective standards. God's own moral standards contradict each other depending on where in the Bible you're reading.

I don't need to say his morality is correct to recognize it changes.

i'm gonna be honest idk what's even happening

Legalize is trying to deflect from my core question, which is how God can be a consistent standard of morality when even he sets different standards depending on the time period.

Why is it not okay to go on a genocidal spree against the heathens today, but it was in Joshua?

okay but then there was all this subjective talk

Yeah because he kept demanding I provide an objective standard for morality.

And there isn't.

Even amongst Christianity.

right, there isn't

same with just and right

i can't prove something is just

But you can using the modern understanding of what is just according to the west.

and moral as well

I never made a claim about definitive morality. I can observe when one's own morality is contradictory without having to accept morality is objective.

I can objectively state:

The Christian standard of morals, and the morals given to the Israelites in Joshua are contradictory. Therefore, "God" isn't a consistent standard for morality.

i'm not sure how DJ couldn't objectively state that

what's wrong about that statement

the morals are contradictory

I'm not making an argument on moral grounds.

the morals given are contradictory

is he wrong?

today's christian standard vs the standard given to the isrealites

right?

this has been going on for like 3 days so i didn't see where he made claims about his own morality

Back up a bit. In what way is the morality of God contradictory old testament to new?

Would you say that it would be moral by today's Christian standards to go through several Muslim cities and murder every man woman and child?

If not, then the book of Joshua contradicts the morals set forth by God after Christ.

And if I made an argument off my own morality, then it was unintentional. @Legalize

By what do we derive the word christian?

Christ