Message from @DJ_Anuz
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Back up a bit. In what way is the morality of God contradictory old testament to new?
Would you say that it would be moral by today's Christian standards to go through several Muslim cities and murder every man woman and child?
If not, then the book of Joshua contradicts the morals set forth by God after Christ.
And if I made an argument off my own morality, then it was unintentional. @Legalize
By what do we derive the word christian?
Christ
no it doesn't
I'm not even arguing if the acts taken place in the book of Joshua are moral or not. Just that according to Christ, (the same God) it is immoral.
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i haven't seen him arguing whether they're moral or not
There is a reason the Jews worship Jehovah and Christ says his name is Jehovah.
The covenant thay christ made with the church is not the same one God made with Abraham
That does not make them contradictory
Regardless. Jehovah commanded the mass genocide of the cananites which would contradict his own moral standards according to Christian's today.
What about Matthew 5:17 though
It wasn't just that the Israelites wanted to conquer the cananites. They were commanded to do so. Jehovah could have brought them to new land if he wanted to and avoided conflict.
Or he could have slowly let humanity die out instead of killing all but a few in a flood.
@A. Spader God felt remorse after the flood and vowed to never do it again.
Pretty sure that too would constitute a shift in moral ethics.
But in ether case, he is the Creator. His creation rebelled, and as a consequence deserves hell, every single one of us made in his image
But that still doesn't guarantee that he is a consistent or right moral arbiter.
What if Satan had God's power. Would that make Satan the arbiter of morality?
In what context? Did Satan make heaven and earth? Did Satan breathe life into Adam? Did he give all his creation to Adam to manage, only for Adam to betray his one commandment?
what if he did and all he does is make sure people hate their lives
torture us
Make us hate our lives? Did he compel Adam to eat the fruit? Did he compel eve to lie about his commandment?
@DJ_Anuz well I think all my exercise on Sunday was irrelevant because you just dismissed what I said (steel man about God being the same with the same morality) and kept pushing without trying to refute.
You even said that what I was saying made sense.
The existence of an argument doesn't necessitate agreement with that argument. It can even be internally consistent and still disagreeable
Do you reset your thoughts when you go to sleep. Like that girl in the Adam Sandler movie
@A. Spader fucking Eve dude... smdh
are today's Christian morals based off of god's word?
Depends on the christian
That is a giant debate in and of itself lol
Cause I see a lot of christians claiming that Jesus was the worlds first socialist
He did make a breadline
what DJ said about today's christian standard of morals being different than it used to be seems to be completely accurate?
It depends on what you mean by "morals".
@ThePortugueseGuy the problem is that my steel man argument contradicts the majority of Christian sects doctrinally.
but i'm completely uneducated about the religion and don't actually give a shit about the outcome of this argument
My didn't so try to refute that one
but it seemed to make sense, what dj said