A little bit of secularism mixed into Christian culture has done a lot to push humanity forward.

Now, why is it that the muslims have not done the same

It's not limited to Christianity, oddly

or the chinese or marxists who abandoned their religious values entirely

But the thing is, the enlightenment didn't have to have come from Christianity. It just happened to have started there.

It didn't happen anywhere else either tho

And was philosophically backed by judeo christian teachings

fundamentally

Atheism is still a form of religion though.

Sure

Are we talking specifically the enlightenment or cultural revolutions?

So China and Marxism just adopted another form of religous practice.

Which

turned out bad

I'm talking the enlightenment values.

Enlightenment did happen when people returned to true Christianity imo

Europe and America on the other hand took in some more secularist values and didnt do away with the christianity

And hey look

@Louis Carlos Fer yes but that was because they adopted a semi dogmatic faith for s totalitarian dogmatic faith.

no millions of starved and tortured and executed peasants

That's all well and good

I think we agree that religious values can be a force for good though.

Why isn't Africa doing way better?

No christianity

Blatantly untrue

@Beemann I can think of a few reasons... *Cough* 13% *cough*

Show me the country which adopted christian values in africa and didn't do well and I'll show you some IQ stats

Aren't there more Christian's in Africa than in the entire western world combined?

Iunno

Seemed made up that stat

Okay, so it's not just Christ, but Christ and IQ?

And a willingness to adopt secularist values without doing away with the faith

Okay so it's Christ but not total Christ and also IQ

Because there was some fucked up shit going on in feudal europe

Because if you have too much Christ it goes to shit

I dunno about goes to shit but it definitely doesn't get better at the rate the western world has

Okay, so what about the inverse? Japan hasn't been terribly Christian and they turned shit right the fuck around multiple times

Well, pre Americanization they were Rape of Nanking'ing it up

And once we basically turned them into our sock puppet they are now the Japan we know and wish we didn't know quite so well

While the Germans, Italians and Russians were being perfect yeah?

While the Balkans were totally fine