if they took over

Clearly they've for the right answer

Might makes right. Right?

I am really disappointed with the agnostic/atheist faction in here if the argument I did is boiled down to there is no VHS that provesthat I am right.

See, it's basically a difference in opinion at this point

>take example
>assume it's the only answer
I thought we were about good faith here :^)

I think that all people having a better life is better than millions starving and some having a better life for whatever duration the CCP manages to stay together

But all people do not have a better life. That's not really how this process works

Whereas judeo christian values have actually made the lives of everyone within america better

They do tho

American and euro poors have better lives than the poor anywhere else

That wasn't until a lot of the superstitious elements of Christianity were done away with tbh.

Which, funny enough, is something that the christians can do

A little bit of secularism mixed into Christian culture has done a lot to push humanity forward.

Now, why is it that the muslims have not done the same

It's not limited to Christianity, oddly

or the chinese or marxists who abandoned their religious values entirely

But the thing is, the enlightenment didn't have to have come from Christianity. It just happened to have started there.

It didn't happen anywhere else either tho

And was philosophically backed by judeo christian teachings

fundamentally

Atheism is still a form of religion though.

Sure

Are we talking specifically the enlightenment or cultural revolutions?

So China and Marxism just adopted another form of religous practice.

Which

turned out bad

I'm talking the enlightenment values.

Enlightenment did happen when people returned to true Christianity imo

Europe and America on the other hand took in some more secularist values and didnt do away with the christianity

And hey look

@Louis Carlos Fer yes but that was because they adopted a semi dogmatic faith for s totalitarian dogmatic faith.

no millions of starved and tortured and executed peasants

That's all well and good

I think we agree that religious values can be a force for good though.

Why isn't Africa doing way better?

No christianity

Blatantly untrue

@Beemann I can think of a few reasons... *Cough* 13% *cough*

Show me the country which adopted christian values in africa and didn't do well and I'll show you some IQ stats

Aren't there more Christian's in Africa than in the entire western world combined?