I can contest what you added about muslim countries, but it would be more helpful to view those videos i linked before i do.

For the other statement, we have to go back to are adults responsible for their actions or not?
A lot of those women Choose to advance their careers by using there bodies, are we going to take this option away from them because other women don't want to? That's up for debate i guess, but we can't have it both ways, women have these options, but also complain about having these options. Yes i'm not a fan of anyone doing that, but i don't get to control other peoples choices. (this is all outside of anyone committing criminal actions).

@Shadows @SteelandSouls as far as the consent issue goes: if a high powered man solicits a woman with sex to advance her career, it’s prostitution. Plain and simple. Prostitution is illegal in most of the country; It would be sensible to use this framework to address this issue.

heh you just added that after i said my 2nd part :)

Lol. You posted it right when I finished. My point is that you have to call it prostitution in order to legally address it.

@Shadows Yes, Muslim majority countries need human rights , not feminism.

It sounds like we're having a breakdown in terms of whether or not women's rights and men's rights exist as their own entity or if it falls under the umbrella of human rights?

@SteelandSouls you cannot have an egalitarian society while having different sets of laws applying to men and women. The cultural concept of gender roles is irrelevant here. That is why it’s a human rights issue, not a feminist issue.

Feminism cannot be used to establish egalitarian laws because it focuses solely on women. That’s why we are in the mess we are in.

You're right which is why I don't believe in equality in general. You can have an overarching set of laws that all humans must abide by such as killing be bad. You can also see discrepancies in what men and women are capable of and address the situations that they suffer. For instance, it's no secret that when it comes to rape (yes we all know it happens to men as well) it is more likely to take place outside of a prison cell than in one. Now you can look at that one of two ways. You can say a) There are predators in open society and women can't possibly know who it would be or b) These men are trapped in rape dungeons and the people doing the raping can't get double jail. That's if you want to play a game of "Who has it worse?" Now I'm not for a hand-holding culture or government....at all....EVER. However, it's not unreasonable to suggest that elements of our culture (not law, culture) have issues with egalitarianism that - although they may see the same consequences toward men and women (i.e. rape and domestice abuse) - the approach and rationale behind the issues stem from differences inherent in the sexes.

On the Islam point, watching the videos now

Dude makes some solid points

@SteelandSouls Yes, women are disproportionately victims of rape by men (prison rape is a different kind of problem - not comparable to outside rape). I think that we should encourage cultural complimentarianism and practice legal egalitarianism.

I agree with that

Yeah. If men don’t want to be raped in prison, don’t do crap that gets you in prison.

>wrongful convictions

@Beemann Yes those happen, but I’d like to see an estimated percentage of how many convictions are wrongful. I just think it’s incorrect to compare prison rape with outside of prison rape. Fundamentally different situations

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I don't think rape stops being rape if you don't like the victim. Further, wrongful convictions are a "one is too many" (to appropriate an anti semitic quote) situation

Yeah, we shouldn't be complicit

No one should worry about getting aids through violent anal rape because they did X

I agree it is fundamentally different

And needs to be handled differently

@Beemann I agree that one wrongful conviction is too many and I agree that prison rape is bad. I just don’t think the situations are comparable. The risks are completely different. I do think judicial reform is necessary, which should include addressing prison rape. However, that doesn’t mean prison rape is comparable to outside of prison rape. The factors that lead to either are fundamentally different.

Plus I'd be figuratively and literally fucked in prison if I went lol

For general rape, we need to encourage women to take their safety into their own hands. Don’t leave drinks unattended, don’t wonder through unfamiliar areas alone or late a night, avoid getting in situations where you are alone with a man you can’t trust beyond a reasonable doubt, and carry a gun.

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Lol.

Same advice goes to men for less rape reasons and more theft and murder reasons

lol

I try, mostly in vain, to get girls to protect themselves.

That’s so true.

They do so many dumb things

Being young, never again

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Guns are the great equalizer and if I was a woman I would for sure conceal carry

Yeah. Same here. I don’t wonder in sketchy places alone at night.

That’s just plain old common sense lll