Our founders thought it was good, so that is a good reason enough to say, for. But if i had to ponder it, that would take a lot of time for me.

I'd rather work on dealing with recidivism and fixing the broken people before putting them down. I'd rather put it to use for the Charles Manson's of the world

Give everyone a fair trial, but I'm for it

@Shadows yeah. It’s a complicated issue. I’m not exactly sure which position is correct. I need to think about it more.

My reasoning behind supporting it is the inherent value I place on life

If I didn't value life, it would be an arbitrary question

@SteelandSouls right, but that means you still support it for extreme cases.

Yeah

I'd say it was relative, or some bs reasoning

Same for abortion. I'm against abortion except in the extreme case where the mother's life is at risk

@RoadtoDawn So, your position is that the proper punishment for causing extreme human suffering (like brutal murders) is the death penalty.

Give people the proper amount of time to make their peace with God. Then when it's appropriate for the state, put them to death

@SteelandSouls fair enough. I think the same way too. If the woman’s life is in danger, then it’s ok. Not if she’s a stupid whore.

@RoadtoDawn sounds similar to what CS Lewis says.

I've heard good stuff about him

Have you read mere Christianity? It’s good.

I only read scripture and the church fathers

That’s great. CS Lewis presents some interesting arguments. One of my family friends (he’s like an uncle to me) came to Christ reading that book.

I just had a thought on the birthright citizenship thing. The line "subject to do jurisdiction there of". I want to propose the argument that illegal immigrants in sanctuary states aren't subject to the authority of the US so their children don't get citizenship. What do you guys think of that argument?

It's been made, certainly

No call in tonight?

Not this week or next week

@grant bit tricky, imo, because that opens up the avenue that illegal immigrants who are not in sanctuary cities could then be considered as under the jurisdiction of the US

Unless a provision is specifically inserted wherein foreign aliens are by default not included except when indicted/convicted of/for capital crimes etc

@Agent Smith oh mate I am not looking forward to summer

34 where I am right now and it feels like 45 in my shop

So what were the popular Halloween costumes this year? And what were the best costumes people saw?

Not enough Halloweening in this part of the globe mate

Its difficult, i really love women (to a fault at times). Just the other day it made me disappointing, that Sara Bareilles had a new song out. I'm find with people looking for self-empowerment. It makes people able to be happy with themselves, but when its based on false premises it won't ever work well.

Color me curious, I'll bite.

bite what?

@grant I only saw little kids costumes. I can’t remember if any of them could count as cultural appropriation. Maybe some girls costumes came close. I think I saw a white girl as a Native American. I saw around 100 kids. Lots in my area. I did see a little boy with a green dyed lesbian haircut though. Shame on those parents.

@Deleted User forecast says it's supposed to be todays maximum of 34 right now and cooling later by 5 where I'm at but my outside thermometer says 29.3C 😃
Inside temp is 26.2

29.3C? What's with the Communist numbers? 😛

@Shadows on what ever topic you guys are discussing

i was talking about a few topics heh, not sure which one you jumped into :)

I don't know now I feel like I'm being made fun of shadows

@J Edgar hey its fall j why is it already freezing temps in Wisconsin

I was not prepared

Are you in Wisconsin?

I was I picked a load in sparta