@RoadtoDawn that must have been a playful headline, because something that is not real can not "testify" to a murder, just be used as evidence (if allowed).

I would take exception with stuff that doesnt advertise its function

like that smart tv that was recording people, for instance

Yeah dunno if Bezos himself has to go in or not, I felt it explained my point as quickly as possible @Shadows

heh

court demanded that Amazon hand over the recording is the basic scenario

Ya.

Mhm, I'm sure they'll get an expert witness, some amazon tech engineer to explain all the goofy tech jargon to the idiot boomer jurors that will just nod along

Wow, someone doesn't like our system....

:)

Was more a jab at boomers, :p

which is part of the system... heh

I had to write reports on cases, focusing on the forensic expert witness aspect. I know how they talk to make themselves sound intelligent haha

and besides, in that particular trial it wouldn't even be ancillary, just a formality. I'm not sure how often they have testimony from recording devices, this case will likely be unusual, the precedent being the fact it was Alexa and not, say, a cell phone call or something

It'll probably be decided the moment its declared admissible

Its always good to be wary of new tech, as it should never be the case that we are not in control of it and not the other way around. But i also don't think its good to worry to much about it, as its something that always happens, people in the past feared any new form of tech as "This will do something bad for us".

Which can be partly true, but we will have to see.

I'm not sure how often Alexa will be reporting its owners for crimes just yet.

@Beemann the problem is largely that never before in human history has there been potential to record everything someone does in perpetuity, and then just feed that into an algorithm and figure out how to manipulate them based on that

Humans really aren't equipped to handle the level of privacy invasion that we have going on. Sure, "Don't use their thing" is simple to say but reality for my tech-idiot parents is that they are willingly surrendering all kinds of data they probably don't want to

As an intelligent and tech savvy person I can take countermeasures I'm comfortable with to anonymize my identity, but someone with 100IQ or 85IQ is simply not equipped to handle these threats and they have to be able to live in society too. It's not cool when we create a system that's essentially predatory on people who are less fortunate

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I volunteered at a nursing home to help senior citizens with tech issues, I know just how vulnerable folks can be when they aren't aware of tech

I just spent the last 12 hours locked in a closet listening to The Wall on repeat, and I realized.....something fucked up happened in this society.....in my adult lifetime

I think we have always been messed up your just more aware of it now

I used to consider myself a liberal, bordering on extremism, because I espoused the views that Roger Waters put forward in this album.

I listened back to it, especially the big single that came from that album, and I realized that these are not left wing/liberal ideas anymore

@wail you just don't use Google, that's all. As long as companies are honest about data collection I really don't give a shit. It's when they lie about it that I take issue (see: Facebook and Google recording info their services say won't be recorded)

But for everything else, how do you stop someone from creating an algorithm that say, pulls publicly available data from multiple sites and stores that in one place? That's still a lot of information and requires 0 manipulation, and it results in the issue you speak to

Require them to take it down?

Take what down? The consolidated public information? How do you make sure no websites, including ones that don't fall under jurisdiction, do so?

What's public?

If someone was waiting outside my house and following my every movement I'd get a court order to get the stalker hit with a restraining order and if he continues the behavior he'd face consequences

Shit you post on twitter, Facebook, public forums, chat rooms, non privatized public data

It's not the same as leaving your house, it's the same as going to the mall, or some other public space

And you *do* get recorded there

Right -- Should you be?

I don't think any of these companies have a right to do so, it's part of the problem

You're on their property

I'm not convinced that means they get the right to scan my face, track my biometric data, and stick me into their customer data profile for all eternity

If stepping onto someone's public property means consent to all kinds of invasive shit then you basically have to live like a hermit