Message from @wail

Discord ID: 513781367214178314


2018-11-18 14:08:25 UTC  

As an intelligent and tech savvy person I can take countermeasures I'm comfortable with to anonymize my identity, but someone with 100IQ or 85IQ is simply not equipped to handle these threats and they have to be able to live in society too. It's not cool when we create a system that's essentially predatory on people who are less fortunate

2018-11-18 15:00:07 UTC  

😢

2018-11-18 15:01:59 UTC  

I volunteered at a nursing home to help senior citizens with tech issues, I know just how vulnerable folks can be when they aren't aware of tech

2018-11-18 17:32:20 UTC  

I just spent the last 12 hours locked in a closet listening to The Wall on repeat, and I realized.....something fucked up happened in this society.....in my adult lifetime

2018-11-18 17:37:24 UTC  

I think we have always been messed up your just more aware of it now

2018-11-18 17:41:47 UTC  

I used to consider myself a liberal, bordering on extremism, because I espoused the views that Roger Waters put forward in this album.

2018-11-18 17:42:18 UTC  

I listened back to it, especially the big single that came from that album, and I realized that these are not left wing/liberal ideas anymore

2018-11-18 18:10:28 UTC  

@wail you just don't use Google, that's all. As long as companies are honest about data collection I really don't give a shit. It's when they lie about it that I take issue (see: Facebook and Google recording info their services say won't be recorded)

2018-11-18 18:11:34 UTC  

But for everything else, how do you stop someone from creating an algorithm that say, pulls publicly available data from multiple sites and stores that in one place? That's still a lot of information and requires 0 manipulation, and it results in the issue you speak to

2018-11-18 18:18:40 UTC  

Require them to take it down?

2018-11-18 18:19:41 UTC  

Take what down? The consolidated public information? How do you make sure no websites, including ones that don't fall under jurisdiction, do so?

2018-11-18 18:19:49 UTC  

What's public?

2018-11-18 18:20:22 UTC  

If someone was waiting outside my house and following my every movement I'd get a court order to get the stalker hit with a restraining order and if he continues the behavior he'd face consequences

2018-11-18 18:20:30 UTC  

Shit you post on twitter, Facebook, public forums, chat rooms, non privatized public data

2018-11-18 18:20:51 UTC  

It's not the same as leaving your house, it's the same as going to the mall, or some other public space

2018-11-18 18:20:57 UTC  

And you *do* get recorded there

2018-11-18 18:21:40 UTC  

Right -- Should you be?

2018-11-18 18:21:59 UTC  

I don't think any of these companies have a right to do so, it's part of the problem

2018-11-18 18:22:12 UTC  

You're on their property

2018-11-18 18:23:04 UTC  

I'm not convinced that means they get the right to scan my face, track my biometric data, and stick me into their customer data profile for all eternity

2018-11-18 18:23:43 UTC  

If stepping onto someone's public property means consent to all kinds of invasive shit then you basically have to live like a hermit

2018-11-18 18:23:55 UTC  

Which is inappropriate for a supposedly free society

2018-11-18 18:25:31 UTC  

Society isn't free if there's a camera in the bank?

2018-11-18 18:25:59 UTC  

Should they have the right to sweep up your dead skin cells to scan your genome?

2018-11-18 18:26:37 UTC  

Is there a sign that says "BTW if you enter here we expect your DNA"?

2018-11-18 18:27:10 UTC  

There won't need to be one once it becomes normalized

2018-11-18 18:27:22 UTC  

There needs to be with cameras, and they're normalized

2018-11-18 18:28:07 UTC  

That's not particularly true since there are cameras literally everywhere, but I've never seen a sticker saying, "You are being recorded" in WalMart

2018-11-18 18:28:11 UTC  

And Google et al tell you what you're signing over. The issue is how EULA's and TOS's are handled

2018-11-18 18:28:14 UTC  

Maybe it's off in the break room

2018-11-18 18:29:28 UTC  

So lets say I walk into the Amazon store with an electronic signal jammer

2018-11-18 18:29:49 UTC  

Anything wrong with that?

2018-11-18 18:33:14 UTC  

Canada requires that you have a sign, to my knowledge. If the States doesn't you're probably getting cucked

And I'd assume that signal jamming is banned in such a store, and the TOS likely include not sabotaging their entire system

2018-11-18 18:33:52 UTC  

So it's okay for the arms race to go in one direction, but not for people to take precautions against intrusions of privacy by corporate entities

2018-11-18 18:33:58 UTC  

Gotcha

2018-11-18 18:34:50 UTC  

>why isn't it okay for me to jam signals in a store that operates entirely based on automation and item scanning?
Is this a ruse?

2018-11-18 18:35:08 UTC  

How is it any different than an employee watching you while you’re in the store?

2018-11-18 18:35:33 UTC  

The employee probably doesn't have a photographic memory and replay function

2018-11-18 18:35:34 UTC  

Humans aren't perfect recording devices with immutable memory?

2018-11-18 18:36:13 UTC  

That’s not the point.

2018-11-18 18:36:37 UTC  

People are already watching you on their private property.