Message from @wail

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2018-11-18 18:20:30 UTC  

Shit you post on twitter, Facebook, public forums, chat rooms, non privatized public data

2018-11-18 18:20:51 UTC  

It's not the same as leaving your house, it's the same as going to the mall, or some other public space

2018-11-18 18:20:57 UTC  

And you *do* get recorded there

2018-11-18 18:21:40 UTC  

Right -- Should you be?

2018-11-18 18:21:59 UTC  

I don't think any of these companies have a right to do so, it's part of the problem

2018-11-18 18:22:12 UTC  

You're on their property

2018-11-18 18:23:04 UTC  

I'm not convinced that means they get the right to scan my face, track my biometric data, and stick me into their customer data profile for all eternity

2018-11-18 18:23:43 UTC  

If stepping onto someone's public property means consent to all kinds of invasive shit then you basically have to live like a hermit

2018-11-18 18:23:55 UTC  

Which is inappropriate for a supposedly free society

2018-11-18 18:25:31 UTC  

Society isn't free if there's a camera in the bank?

2018-11-18 18:25:59 UTC  

Should they have the right to sweep up your dead skin cells to scan your genome?

2018-11-18 18:26:37 UTC  

Is there a sign that says "BTW if you enter here we expect your DNA"?

2018-11-18 18:27:10 UTC  

There won't need to be one once it becomes normalized

2018-11-18 18:27:22 UTC  

There needs to be with cameras, and they're normalized

2018-11-18 18:28:07 UTC  

That's not particularly true since there are cameras literally everywhere, but I've never seen a sticker saying, "You are being recorded" in WalMart

2018-11-18 18:28:11 UTC  

And Google et al tell you what you're signing over. The issue is how EULA's and TOS's are handled

2018-11-18 18:28:14 UTC  

Maybe it's off in the break room

2018-11-18 18:29:28 UTC  

So lets say I walk into the Amazon store with an electronic signal jammer

2018-11-18 18:29:49 UTC  

Anything wrong with that?

2018-11-18 18:33:14 UTC  

Canada requires that you have a sign, to my knowledge. If the States doesn't you're probably getting cucked

And I'd assume that signal jamming is banned in such a store, and the TOS likely include not sabotaging their entire system

2018-11-18 18:33:52 UTC  

So it's okay for the arms race to go in one direction, but not for people to take precautions against intrusions of privacy by corporate entities

2018-11-18 18:33:58 UTC  

Gotcha

2018-11-18 18:34:50 UTC  

>why isn't it okay for me to jam signals in a store that operates entirely based on automation and item scanning?
Is this a ruse?

2018-11-18 18:35:08 UTC  

How is it any different than an employee watching you while you’re in the store?

2018-11-18 18:35:33 UTC  

The employee probably doesn't have a photographic memory and replay function

2018-11-18 18:35:34 UTC  

Humans aren't perfect recording devices with immutable memory?

2018-11-18 18:36:13 UTC  

That’s not the point.

2018-11-18 18:36:37 UTC  

People are already watching you on their private property.

2018-11-18 18:36:47 UTC  

It’s a matter of protecting their assets.

2018-11-18 18:37:15 UTC  

Sure. I don't have a problem with that

2018-11-18 18:38:00 UTC  

I do have a problem with making a society where you can't do anything without having data collected about your activity and sent to go reside in various different profiles by the govt & corporate entities for all time.

2018-11-18 18:39:07 UTC  

But your solution is to give government some level of control over those data collection entities, when the government is one of their customers lol

2018-11-18 18:39:22 UTC  

What's my solution again?

2018-11-18 18:39:42 UTC  

I was under the impression that it involved pushing for regulation

2018-11-18 18:39:51 UTC  

Of what?

2018-11-18 18:40:19 UTC  

Data collection and consolidation, as per your comment on these info databases not being allowed

2018-11-18 18:40:42 UTC  

And your comment about average people not being tech savvy enough for the market solution

2018-11-18 18:40:49 UTC  

And the IBoR stuff

2018-11-18 18:40:51 UTC  

I certainly don't feel like I have a solution, just pointing out that laissez faire attitudes towards this are extremely dangerous

2018-11-18 18:41:44 UTC  

If it isn’t from the private company or from the government, then it will be from ordinary citizens. How pictures of ‘Walmart people’ have you seen.

2018-11-18 18:43:13 UTC  

Most of the SJWs we all laugh at are being filmed without their consent