I just spent the last 12 hours locked in a closet listening to The Wall on repeat, and I realized.....something fucked up happened in this society.....in my adult lifetime

I think we have always been messed up your just more aware of it now

I used to consider myself a liberal, bordering on extremism, because I espoused the views that Roger Waters put forward in this album.

I listened back to it, especially the big single that came from that album, and I realized that these are not left wing/liberal ideas anymore

@wail you just don't use Google, that's all. As long as companies are honest about data collection I really don't give a shit. It's when they lie about it that I take issue (see: Facebook and Google recording info their services say won't be recorded)

But for everything else, how do you stop someone from creating an algorithm that say, pulls publicly available data from multiple sites and stores that in one place? That's still a lot of information and requires 0 manipulation, and it results in the issue you speak to

Require them to take it down?

Take what down? The consolidated public information? How do you make sure no websites, including ones that don't fall under jurisdiction, do so?

What's public?

If someone was waiting outside my house and following my every movement I'd get a court order to get the stalker hit with a restraining order and if he continues the behavior he'd face consequences

Shit you post on twitter, Facebook, public forums, chat rooms, non privatized public data

It's not the same as leaving your house, it's the same as going to the mall, or some other public space

And you *do* get recorded there

Right -- Should you be?

I don't think any of these companies have a right to do so, it's part of the problem

You're on their property

I'm not convinced that means they get the right to scan my face, track my biometric data, and stick me into their customer data profile for all eternity

If stepping onto someone's public property means consent to all kinds of invasive shit then you basically have to live like a hermit

Which is inappropriate for a supposedly free society

Society isn't free if there's a camera in the bank?

Should they have the right to sweep up your dead skin cells to scan your genome?

Is there a sign that says "BTW if you enter here we expect your DNA"?

There won't need to be one once it becomes normalized

There needs to be with cameras, and they're normalized

That's not particularly true since there are cameras literally everywhere, but I've never seen a sticker saying, "You are being recorded" in WalMart

And Google et al tell you what you're signing over. The issue is how EULA's and TOS's are handled

Maybe it's off in the break room

So lets say I walk into the Amazon store with an electronic signal jammer

Anything wrong with that?

Canada requires that you have a sign, to my knowledge. If the States doesn't you're probably getting cucked

And I'd assume that signal jamming is banned in such a store, and the TOS likely include not sabotaging their entire system

So it's okay for the arms race to go in one direction, but not for people to take precautions against intrusions of privacy by corporate entities

Gotcha

>why isn't it okay for me to jam signals in a store that operates entirely based on automation and item scanning?
Is this a ruse?

How is it any different than an employee watching you while you’re in the store?

The employee probably doesn't have a photographic memory and replay function

Humans aren't perfect recording devices with immutable memory?

That’s not the point.

People are already watching you on their private property.

It’s a matter of protecting their assets.

Sure. I don't have a problem with that

I do have a problem with making a society where you can't do anything without having data collected about your activity and sent to go reside in various different profiles by the govt & corporate entities for all time.