Message from @Beemann

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2018-11-20 22:57:34 UTC  

Nietzsche my dude

2018-11-20 22:57:39 UTC  

Hitchens knows the answer that question now doesn’t he? LOL

2018-11-20 22:57:56 UTC  

Doesn't Peterson basically keep religion around though?

2018-11-20 22:57:59 UTC  

It's over half of what Peterson uses for his talks

2018-11-20 22:58:27 UTC  

Peterson is in a weird state where to him God is Order and he acts as though God exists and considers that sufficient

2018-11-20 22:58:41 UTC  

I would argue that it is impossible to establish a solid foundation for a secular replacement for religion. It’s just not gonna work.

2018-11-20 22:58:55 UTC  

Why is that?

2018-11-20 22:58:58 UTC  

I think Jordan Peterson makes the point "I behave like God exists."

2018-11-20 22:59:24 UTC  

Yes, and his definition of God is basically just a force of Order

2018-11-20 22:59:34 UTC  

I posted a relavent <#266396659062145025>

2018-11-20 22:59:42 UTC  

And I'm the Keynesian

2018-11-20 22:59:46 UTC  

OwO

2018-11-20 23:00:21 UTC  

Kind of? It's a weird half in half out thing

2018-11-20 23:00:54 UTC  

@Deleted User I wonder who that guy is based off of...

2018-11-20 23:01:03 UTC  

No that’s just diesm in general.

2018-11-20 23:01:12 UTC  

Also I would drop you on the helicopter that is _MY DICK_

2018-11-20 23:01:23 UTC  

I thought deism was the hands-off God

2018-11-20 23:01:29 UTC  

Not God-as-concept

2018-11-20 23:01:59 UTC  

Pretty much the same.

2018-11-20 23:02:52 UTC  

To clarify I'm talking about "a supernatural being created the universe and then fucked off" vs "this virtue is God"

2018-11-20 23:03:13 UTC  

Which aren't the same

2018-11-20 23:03:58 UTC  

Theism is just religion

2018-11-20 23:05:11 UTC  

Or at least what people typically mean when they say religion

2018-11-20 23:05:28 UTC  

Sure

2018-11-20 23:06:13 UTC  

Monotheism is theism based around a God, like the Abrahamic faiths, Atheism is based around no Gods, either due to assertion of proof against or just lack of proof for

2018-11-20 23:06:20 UTC  

Theism is the common root

2018-11-20 23:06:24 UTC  

Still functionally the same. Jordan Peterson can’t state what he actually believes about God in his position.

2018-11-20 23:06:39 UTC  

Why do you figure that?

2018-11-20 23:07:18 UTC  

He has at one point saying that he does not but he lives like he does

2018-11-20 23:07:44 UTC  

Because the ideas are like denominations of the same religion.

2018-11-20 23:08:14 UTC  

Peterson gets called a Nazi and lectures on the bible all the time. I don't think saying "I'm Christian and believe in God" would hurt him

2018-11-20 23:08:39 UTC  

By that logic all Monotheism is just Zoroastrianism

2018-11-20 23:09:59 UTC  

The Christian God has specific properties. If you don't believe those properties how are you still a Christian?

2018-11-20 23:10:10 UTC  

Ok. I see your point.

2018-11-20 23:11:05 UTC  

But they are still functionally the same.

2018-11-20 23:11:45 UTC  

In some scenarios, sure. Does Peterson believe the creation story though? Or just use it as metaphor?

2018-11-20 23:12:05 UTC  

He treats it metaphorically

2018-11-20 23:12:17 UTC  

Does he believe the events in the Bible or see them as fables that he uses to create his own moral compass, hence his use of Nietzsche?

2018-11-20 23:12:27 UTC  

A blend of both

2018-11-20 23:12:50 UTC  

There are historical aspects of the bible and there are the miraculous/mystical aspects of it

2018-11-20 23:13:14 UTC  

Why is a deist required to view the creation of the universe through a Christian Lens ? Deism is the idea that God exist creative universe and stepped aside. That’s it.