Dawkins is probably struggling with a lot of stress. I don't know that he had a retreat after the left exiled him

Harris does, Hitchens did and also died

And yet he still shills for that shit

Also gun control

The guy just loves him some government boots on his face

It’s like proving grants pointe🤔

Hitchens and Harris didn't need religion though, so what does that prove exactly?

They claim to not need religion. That doesn’t make their assertions correct.

Que? Do you have proof that Hitchens needed Jesus all along?

In the absence of these traditional religions people do not form a secular community substitute for church and temples. they tend to move those things to government. That's why I said secular people need to make a movement. otherwise we're clearly not ready to move one yet as a whole.

The blueprint is there. Peterson has been borrowing it

Nietzsche my dude

Hitchens knows the answer that question now doesn’t he? LOL

Doesn't Peterson basically keep religion around though?

It's over half of what Peterson uses for his talks

Peterson is in a weird state where to him God is Order and he acts as though God exists and considers that sufficient

I would argue that it is impossible to establish a solid foundation for a secular replacement for religion. It’s just not gonna work.

Why is that?

I think Jordan Peterson makes the point "I behave like God exists."

Yes, and his definition of God is basically just a force of Order

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And I'm the Keynesian

OwO

Kind of? It's a weird half in half out thing

@Deleted User I wonder who that guy is based off of...

No that’s just diesm in general.

Also I would drop you on the helicopter that is _MY DICK_

I thought deism was the hands-off God

Not God-as-concept

Pretty much the same.

To clarify I'm talking about "a supernatural being created the universe and then fucked off" vs "this virtue is God"

Which aren't the same

Theism is just religion

Or at least what people typically mean when they say religion

Sure

Monotheism is theism based around a God, like the Abrahamic faiths, Atheism is based around no Gods, either due to assertion of proof against or just lack of proof for

Theism is the common root

Still functionally the same. Jordan Peterson can’t state what he actually believes about God in his position.

Why do you figure that?

He has at one point saying that he does not but he lives like he does

Because the ideas are like denominations of the same religion.