Message from @SteelandSouls

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2019-01-12 03:21:36 UTC  

@Beemann There is not just One Way to make good stories... But there are a limited amount of ways to make them work well.

2019-01-12 03:21:54 UTC  

Right and the limits are that there needs to be some level of consequence

2019-01-12 03:22:01 UTC  

no

2019-01-12 03:22:03 UTC  

yes

2019-01-12 03:22:04 UTC  

There should be a Bad Thing that could actually happen

2019-01-12 03:22:13 UTC  

And a Good Thing that might happen that we root for

2019-01-12 03:22:19 UTC  

Arg. You guys.

2019-01-12 03:22:21 UTC  

These don't have to be 100% good and bad

2019-01-12 03:22:30 UTC  

stakes range from the end of the world to I forgot sugar for this cake.

2019-01-12 03:22:31 UTC  

Which is which can even be debatable

2019-01-12 03:22:47 UTC  

We enjoy stories with consequences the most, but that doesn't mean that's the only way to make a good story.

2019-01-12 03:23:23 UTC  

No I'd definitely disagree with that, but I'd invite you to come up with examples

2019-01-12 03:23:28 UTC  

The only way to tell a good story, yes it is. The only way to tell any story, no.

2019-01-12 03:24:44 UTC  

Good stories aren't even usually one singular conflict, but multiple conflicts that center around a theme, each with their own struggles and consequences

2019-01-12 03:25:17 UTC  

Now you're kind of digging into preferences

2019-01-12 03:25:20 UTC  

Even Naruto leans on this, they just fail in it wrt their OC. It's illusory

2019-01-12 03:26:36 UTC  

Not really. GTO is one large conflict (Onizuka wants to become the greatest teacher) and many smaller conflicts (students' personal problems, attempts at sabotage) that tie into the larger one

2019-01-12 03:27:05 UTC  

Naruto has other characters with their own (often potentially better) conflicts. Superman has personal and political conflicts

2019-01-12 03:27:09 UTC  

That's all well and good and works for that story, sure. But we're talking about general "rules" of writing.

2019-01-12 03:27:32 UTC  

Yes, one singular conflict is generally not going to carry you through more than a single short story

2019-01-12 03:27:47 UTC  

Which is fine considering we're talking about stories in general

2019-01-12 03:27:49 UTC  

For a series or novel you need to think bigger than that

2019-01-12 03:28:10 UTC  

Sure, but we're more specifically talking about stories in relation to Naruto (and whatever other animu)

2019-01-12 03:28:17 UTC  

The train of thought you're following is getting too granular

2019-01-12 03:30:33 UTC  

When following a philosophy of things like writing, I find that applying a U.S. government structure of understanding works best. You start broad (constitution) then you break it down to specifics for what you're working on (states) then even more specific for your topic (municipality) and then even more specific (individual). At the moment, no one's even agreeing on the broad

2019-01-12 03:32:44 UTC  

Its because we all hate monopoly!

2019-01-12 03:32:57 UTC  

Oh you meant a different broad

2019-01-12 03:33:03 UTC  

broad and board

2019-01-12 03:33:08 UTC  

Monopoly was designed to be hated

2019-01-12 03:33:21 UTC  

I like Monopoly tho lol

2019-01-12 03:33:37 UTC  

Ever play that revised one where you use a credit card instead of money?

2019-01-12 03:33:45 UTC  

It's anticapitalist propaganda that hilariously got appropriated and commoditized

2019-01-12 03:33:56 UTC  

I have not

2019-01-12 03:34:17 UTC  

@SteelandSouls That credit card one (they made a few), was crap, it made the game take so much longer...

2019-01-12 03:34:42 UTC  

Right?! It wasn't as convenient as they made it seem

2019-01-12 03:34:57 UTC  

I see a lot of potential in debt-based monopoly

2019-01-12 03:35:00 UTC  

Tbh

2019-01-12 03:35:11 UTC  

Maybe not as it was implemented but still

2019-01-12 14:58:57 UTC  

any board game where you can lose halfway through the game is a shitty board game

2019-01-12 14:59:11 UTC  

like you're just supposed to sit there with your thumb up your ass while the rest of your friends have fun

2019-01-12 14:59:19 UTC  

Yep