I finally finished the latest episode of the podcast, well I still have to get through all the super chat at the end but it seems Matt and Blonde got sucked in by the misinformation about the spending bill, which is understandable because man there was a lot of it.

wow committed to listening to it all. Spending bills are always so complicated its almost impossible to know all that is in them. I've read them.....

Well, you know you can only see what's inside one once it's passed.

Thems the rules.

The big things are that there were different drafts of the bill and two of the big negative provisions they referrenced aren't in the version that was passed and the worst one isn't as big a deal as some are making it out to be. Unfortunately Anne Coulter has been running around with her hair on fire instead of being more rational.

The bit about needing local political approval was changed, the DHS needs to consult with local officials and notify them but don't need their approval to do anything.

spending bills are awful cause they don't say X dollars for this project. They say X dollars for XYZ organization. Then you have to look up what XYZ does

There's no mileage limit on the wall, the 55 miles now just refers to what can likely be built with the money provided.

Finally the worst provision 224 about unaccompanied minors doesn't mean what a lot of people think it does. " Official Sponsor" has, as the DHS made clear in a press release, a specific legal definition that doesn't just mean anyone with a minor who gets to the border. It requires filling paperwork with the DHS

Combine that with the "remain in Mexico" initiative and the pool of people it refers two is miniscule.

The bill was still a shit sandwich but not the disaster some are suggesting...

The mistake Trump made was trusting Paul Ryan and not ramming through stuff when Republicans were more in control. But this bill passed with a VETO PROOF majority so if Trump had bounced it back Congress may have loaded up with more shit that wasn't just time handouts to the left

His big promise was the wall so you would think would have been the first priority...

Well the other thing I would say is that it's shitty that it got to this point but I think it's far more likely than not that the emergency declaration is upheld... Much as the the judiciary would like to stop it there's pretty firm legal ground there

The Dems say its not a emergency. I bet if I looked back at all the Emergency Declarations over half weren't

Marbury vs. Madison kinda ties their hands, because stepping into what is and is not an emergency is very clearly a "political question" (a legal term) which according to that case is outside the purview of the court

I'm still get amazed how congress keeps giving up powers

They did this in the late 60s to facilitate NeoCon wars

And interventions

Basically the deep state and swamp could operate more freely

actually started earlier look what Woodrow Wilson passed and all the progressive stuff in the early 19th

They rewrote it in the 60s to give the executive more power when an emergency is declared

Lmao

Muh neocon wars

So what about the rule that says that you have to get the approval of local elected officials to build the wall in those areas?

That was in a previous draft, as I said. Now they have to collect comments and notify local officials but the DHS has the ultimate say and can override their wishes.

Well, I'm glad that you were here to tell us this. The show was a big black pill for me.

They said that in the podcast I thought

I still don't see any way that Trump could actually lose to anyone that has announced that they are going to run, but then I didn't see how an absolute stuffed suit like Obama could win either.

Yeah, I was for Hillary back in 08, I didn't see Obama winning at all

@Cypher It does get annoying when people are complaining about these things with out understanding how they work... Was it a bad bill? Most likely (but like you said, not as bad as lots of people think, Razorfist also called out Coulter for that crap), but that's what it means to compromise to keep things moving forward...

Well yes but this one is a bit understandable because of the volume of misinformation and confusion around it... Coulter though should be better

@Shadows totally agree

I'm sick of people seeing compromise as a bad thing

I have too many communists on my Facebook page that I can't delete 😩
I definitely have a much bleaker outlook that Matt for the future of this county/what people are willing to believe & vote for...

I'm not suggesting compromise is a great solution, I honestly think the right needs to learn to be intransigent because that's the only way we wrench this thing back in course... But this wasn't a compromise. Trump fucked up when he trusted Paul Ryan, I think he realizes that now, and this was the way forward to get the wall. His signature on the spending bill was irrelevant, it had a Veto proof majority.

Yeah TBH the Conservative mentality if anything is too mature / willing to compromise

I'm all for standing your ground when you need to.

It's not really compromise if you aren't actually getting anything out of it @wail.

I hear ppl say the American medical system is the worse of all world's because it is compromised. That is instead of going full capitalist or socialist
It's the worst of both

@Cypher are you sure the right isnt already TOO intransigent
https://youtu.be/4pITlnrvhrY