@Abstract Cossack I have many problems with both of those videos. I'm not even sure where i'd begin tho heh.

@everyone

The more people looking will help.

I dont have much of a social media presence.

https://t.co/tX0OqSKU4T

They already found her

@Shadows I disagree a lot of what Endeavour says, my point in sharing him was to show that Left/Right is not just different ways of showing how Liberal u are

Channels like Distributist and Endeavour are examples of rightwingers who don’t make a claim to that label, they seem far more interested in maintaining a traditional social order than they are in arguing for a philosophy of liberty

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wF6K2rhnCAc

@Abstract Cossack well you have to recognize I'm also part of the right, so I'd be included in that as well lol
If we're taking common assumptions about all of the groups in the right (different groups advocating for different things more than others, or valuing things others don't), pointing out we're not all liberal makes sense, most would be quick to affirm this. But if we're talking about the worldviews in those groups, we have to look at what these groups are contained in. All of them have American government (or whichever country) to work with. We can't have a group for example that advocates for total communism or monarchy that is serious, because they're categorically contradicting our system; they'd mean to destroy it, not reason with it. We don't have anything that allows for an authoritarian to have their way with the country at large, nor can any one person have complete control over 100% of the government, there's far too many mechanisms/checks in place.
It might sound wrong at a glance when I say the left and right are both liberal, but it's true. I'm not talking about ideas at the level of the individual, but at the level of the paradigm. And in this case it's paradigm-ception in a sense lol a system that is subject to the authority of another system, because it's contained in it.

I think you're tackling a different thesis, I would be interested to know what question you are responding to

What I'm saying is that, as terms, Left and Right serve a useful function

But that they are often misused

And often on purpose to distract people from whatever the actual topic is

Kinda like how left-wing psychologists came up with a "Right Wing Authoritarian" test, but no Left Wing Authoritarian test

I'm pretty sure I was originally just making a general statement about the left and right here in America. I'm pretty big into presuppositional analysis, though I'm just a layman who has plenty to learn and open to criticism.
And yes that's exactly what I agree with in the video, the branding aspect. It would be appropriate to say the two sides operate as a mechanism or tool, and that they're circumstantial and undergo changes mechanically. The dynamics between party and constituent can get ... interesting to say the least. e.g the left giving a voice to the worst parts of people's personalities.
And yeah, the assumptions deluded leftists are working with, some of which are pointed out in the video, can lead to ridiculous crap such as a test like that. In their view, we can only be [insert pejorative of the week] who [insert aggressive verb] daily

Thanks for clarifying

I know I'm still trying to figure a lot of this out too, and I can tell I still have conflicting views on the proper definition of Left/Right-wing, how to use the terms, how sufficient they are to describe political or cultural positions

At this point I think it's safe to say that they are necessary terms to describe aspects of moral & political thought, but far from sufficient

And they seem to provide a good first-level classification of moral/political philosophies. Like how we use "Kingdoms" as the first-level description of an organism

In my opinion, a philosophy has to answer the ancient question of the One and the Many. Is the universe all made up of one 'thing', the monad. Or is there more, different 'things' that exist? This question will radically change your worldview depending on how you answer it. You could think about the question as a problem, as someone recently put brilliantly like a philosphical math problem you should solve, but with a presupposition that you want to take and run with.

'Kingdoms', or animal groups, presupposes that something can have identity over time, which is an incredible assertion that needs grounding.

ehhhh....depends on the topics

i would be but I’ll be in bed 😒

but tomorrow morning will = podcast time

I’m excited. I love watching the shows live

Too depressed...

Come on Madatory. View tonight’s show as mandatory 😃

We can chat about it here. I’m sure that will help

OH YEEEAAAA

The bodily autonomy argument is analogous to saying “We have the right as Americans to eat beans without having gas.”

It's so dumb. I don't have the right to control my body when that means moving my fist against your face

Reproductive healthcare is Ministry of Truth level Newspeak

Doubleplusgood Newspeak

So many of the pro choice sides arguments are retarded. But i still lean for allowing it to a point.

One day abortion will be viewed for the horror it is but there will be hold outs for our entire lives. The ferocity with which the radical left clings to this issue is astounding

That's not how most of this works...

I absolutely hate the "forced to give birth" angle when people cook up hypotheticals. Banning abortion is a call to *inaction*.

It's like saying we force women into motherhood because we have laws against child neglect, actually it's even less than that

The rape scenario does change the logic and I'm sympathetic to it, but once you're pregnant if everyone does their best *nothing* you'll still give birth

I just can't let someone characterize that as a form of force

Making someone do something they don't want to would be a form of force.... The point is up to what point is it allowed.

Shadows you reminded me of something that made me very angry a while ago that has been hanging out in the back of my mind for a while.

I don't know when I heard it, or who said it, but it was some doofus whining about how the election of Trump makes it clear that 'the course of human history does not bend toward justice.'

I've always hated that phrase, because what kind of head in the dirt moron do you have to be to look at the course of history and think that humanity is becoming inherently more moral?