would definitely make it cheaper to start

From what I've seen of the underlying arguments it's along the lines of Healthcare is equivalent to food, water, air, etc therefore it is a human right etc

Yea that seems to be it ^

Though all of the above are not guaranteed either
In fact, as far as claim rights go, all of the above cannot be rights as they are impossible to fulfill
Here: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/rights/#2.1
Obviously the right to food could only be a liberty as you have the right not to food etc
But they want to make it a claim right which would mean that the government has the duty to provide food for the people
However, this would mean that the people then have a no-claim on how that food is delivered etc

Doctor tiers sound interesting

That's how the rest of the world does it, well for the most part

Which doesn't make sense, because humans survived and thrived without it, and because you can guarantee access/enforcement of non deprivation only, not provision

But yeah I was thinking about the doctors thing in the context of paying 10+ years for school and then often basically having to start your own business while in the hole to get started

That would be the economics argument/biological argument. But as many have stated they don't know nor care about those things

And how the time and money costs work against motivating more people to become medical practitioners

```Entry-level medical education programs are tertiary-level courses undertaken at a medical school. Depending on jurisdiction and university, these may be either undergraduate-entry (most of Europe, Asia, South America and Oceania), or graduate-entry programs (mainly Australia, North America). Some jurisdictions and universities provide both undergraduate entry programs and graduate entry programs (Australia, South Korea).```

Well, from the "niceness" argument, Canada isn't treating its doctors especially well, evidently. We don't have enough of them/enough facilities to support medical treatment

I just took this from the WHO website
```The enjoyment of the highest attainable standard of health is one of the fundamental rights of every human being without distinction of race, religion, political belief, economic or social condition.```
How the hell does anyone actually expect that to work?

The highest attainable standard lol

@BeemannxD

```At present, in the United Kingdom, a typical medicine course at university is 5 years or 4 years if the student already holds a degree. Among some institutions and for some students, it may be 6 years (including the selection of an intercalated BSc—taking one year—at some point after the pre-clinical studies). All programs culminate in the Bachelor of Medicine and Surgery degree (abbreviated MBChB, MBBS, MBBCh, BM, etc.). This is followed by 2 clinical foundation years afterward, namely F1 and F2, similar to internship training. Students register with the UK General Medical Council at the end of F1. At the end of F2, they may pursue further years of study. The system in Australia is very similar, with registration by the Australian Medical Council (AMC).

In the US and Canada, a potential medical student must first complete an undergraduate degree in any subject before applying to a graduate medical school to pursue an (M.D. or D.O.) program. U.S. medical schools are almost all four-year programs. Some students opt for the research-focused M.D./Ph.D. dual degree program, which is usually completed in 7–10 years. There are certain courses that are pre-requisite for being accepted to medical school, such as general chemistry, organic chemistry, physics, mathematics, biology, English, labwork, etc. The specific requirements vary by school.

In Australia, there are two pathways to a medical degree. Students can choose to take a five- or six-year undergraduate medical degree Bachelor of Medicine/Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS or BMed) as a first tertiary degree directly after secondary school graduation, or first complete a bachelor's degree (in general three years, usually in the medical sciences) and then apply for a four-year graduate entry Bachelor of Medicine/Bachelor of Surgery (MBBS) program.```

Where is that from anyway

@Beemann so wt uur sayin is GOTTDAMN American billionaires need to pay our doctors ;)

Also the above is just an example of three systems

Not only do you have a right to healthcare, you have a right to the *best* healthcare

Oh wait that, no no

They'll lower the top end standard

Enslave the doctors. Medicare for all

That's how it'll work

I'd insert a pinochet Pepe if I could lol

Instead of getting the latest chemo everyone will get snake oil because that's all the government can afford

Would y'all like to see his glory

Yes

Goes back to the food example:
But they want to make it a claim right which would mean that the government has the duty to provide ~~food~~ healthcare for the people
However, this would mean that the people then have a no-claim on how that ~~food~~ healthcare is delivered etc

So.

Doctor enslavement it is.

Well boys, we did it, we solved health care 😎

Back in the Roman days the Romans would enslave Greek doctors, though the doctors could eventually be freed over a period of time, or payment

Indentured servitude I'm also ok with lol

We'll have this thing where the doctors have to go into debt to become doctors, then they'll work for the government and receive housing and food, but no pay, in return we will pay off these education loans, yes yes good idea

Not enslave all the doctors. Most will lose their jobs and not be able to find work.

That's a feature not a bug

All part of the plan.

I kind of hope that if there is regulation for mediacl care, it will be to be open with the prices of their operations.

Yes sir, your heart surgery? Oh that's 5 years wages :)

I'm not sure how any of this has to do with the jews guys....