Message from @C1PHER

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2019-08-22 00:43:48 UTC  

It's a mostly peaceful city friend.

2019-08-22 00:45:11 UTC  
2019-08-22 00:47:30 UTC  

@Legalize hello

2019-08-22 00:48:51 UTC  

@Legalize please no

2019-08-22 09:19:59 UTC  

oh this your video

2019-08-22 10:56:39 UTC  

Does Matt not think political violence can be justified??????????????????????????????

2019-08-22 10:56:51 UTC  

his new video seems to imply that

2019-08-22 10:58:46 UTC  

Being the one to initiate violence is bad, yes

2019-08-22 10:58:53 UTC  

<:PepeLaugh:565528391336329216>

2019-08-22 10:58:59 UTC  

american revolution?

2019-08-22 10:59:13 UTC  

americas several wars over seas

2019-08-22 10:59:44 UTC  

idk america seems built on hitting first

2019-08-22 11:00:05 UTC  

But muh NAP

2019-08-22 11:00:16 UTC  

?

2019-08-22 11:00:35 UTC  

ohh

2019-08-22 11:01:08 UTC  

is this idea for oppressive stances?

2019-08-22 11:01:33 UTC  

if you see a group of people getting larger and larger in their ideas and they want to take your rights away do you wait for them to do it?

2019-08-22 11:02:13 UTC  

or is the rally itself an act of agression before hand? If not do you then attack your government after the law in implemented while it is already too late?

2019-08-22 11:03:48 UTC  

Depends on how you draw the line on conspiracy, I guess.

2019-08-22 11:04:01 UTC  

conspiracy?

2019-08-22 11:04:36 UTC  

I don't think the views of far right groups are very secret

2019-08-22 11:06:07 UTC  

` An agreement to perform together an illegal, wrongful, or subversive act.`
Yes, conspiracy

2019-08-22 11:06:28 UTC  

Whether it's secret or not doesn't matter

2019-08-22 11:07:12 UTC  

google and merriam webster have different deffinition

2019-08-22 11:07:22 UTC  

for conspire

2019-08-22 11:07:34 UTC  

a secret agreement

2019-08-22 11:07:47 UTC  

or to join in a secret agreement to do an unlawful or wrongful act or an act which becomes unlawful as a result of the secret agreemnet

2019-08-22 11:32:26 UTC  

The general idea is that you shouldn't be the one to escalate from "thoughts" to violence. Advocating for something that others find objectionable isn't cause for violence, but trying to act upon that advocacy could be.
The revolution was fought because the British government was enforcing laws the colonists considered unjust.
I can't speak for the overseas wars because I'm against those.
Plenty of politicians have advocated removing my speech rights, but that alone doesn't justify murdering them

2019-08-22 13:32:20 UTC  

@Deleted User is pointing out a real problem with the NAP mindset--the opposition doesn't reciprocate.

Also, the legal definition of conspiracy is different from the dictionary definition and doesn't require secrecy.

@C1PHER I would consider gun confiscation, for instance, a legitimate cause for political violence.

2019-08-22 13:33:59 UTC  

Right, but advocating for confiscation and enacting it are separate issues. I gathered that Alloy thinks the "far right" needs to be punched because they advocate for the bad things

2019-08-22 13:34:25 UTC  

Yes, agreed.

2019-08-22 13:34:54 UTC  

I challenge any of these people to come up with a reasonable, strict definition of far right

2019-08-22 13:35:02 UTC  

because it doesnt exist :^)

2019-08-22 13:35:43 UTC  

The NAP's other flaw seems to be that always being on the defensive is never really a winning strategy.

2019-08-22 13:36:02 UTC  

Yes, I was going to make the same point.

2019-08-22 13:36:13 UTC  

Much like conservatism in general.

2019-08-22 13:37:04 UTC  

by that metric, much of the US' military involvement has been a "losing strategy" though

2019-08-22 13:37:19 UTC  

the two World Wars in particular

2019-08-22 13:38:33 UTC  

The US fought offensively in WWII