Message from @Beemann
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The main fault I find in libertarianism is that it focuses too much on the individual
Society doesn't exist without families
You conserve your life eternally through Christ.
you can be secular for something to leave behind for _someone_
libertarianism assumes that person virtue is of no importance
so far, the only real way to focus that is to have children of your own
It's not a payout in the monetary sense, or something.
Families have to come from the social realm. Libertarianism focuses on the individual in a political sense
It's still external rewards
@vngxl what if you conserve all your life, but never heard of Christ?
but that's the thing, where does libertarianism come in with a, I guess, cure, in the societal realm?
Where does Capitalism?
You have to clarify your question a bit.
You mean like uncontacted tribes?
What does Christianity say about running a successful business
So they're two legs to a table; what would be the third and fourth?
what I'm saying is that libertarianism seeks to limit the state completely, while failing to understand without a morally virtuous populace, all libertarianism will produce is a decade of anarchy followed by a century of tyranny
What do you mean by limit the state "completely"?
to prevent it from being capable of tyranny
If anything, libertarianism opens the door for social conservatives to shine, no?
right, that's what I'm saying
You can limit tyrannical capacity, but you can never eliminate it
Libertarianism is based on that principle
So long as you're still allowing a government you are creating an easy target for power accumulation and centralization, which is why vigilance must be a focus
But it's not a social plan, that has to be decided by communities
Which is where you can make your social ideology shine, if it works as well as you suggest
That's a general "you" fwiw
Hm?
Are you thinking of a Libertarian government?
Because a libertarian government could be one of several configurations
You could have one of several kinds of democracy, there's also theories that emerge from prior authoritarian rule, not unlike commieshit (though I'm not a fan of those)
You dont even necessarily have to make franchise universal. It all depends on how you wanna argue rights really
^^^^
I see that said a lot but I think it mostly comes down to the libertarian answer being "people will have to figure it out"
Like do I know the exact solution every community will take to a given issue? No. Some of them will even make bad decisions
But I think it's important that, so long as fundamental principles aren't being violated, that people should be free to do dumb shit
And then pay for the consequences
People are prevented from particular solutions due to arbitrary law
People are free to rescind their rights on an individual basis no matter what
But the goal should be to restore a system under which states are separate and people have those rights
Or do you feel you have a better solution?
Both, in their own way. US States should regain their rights, nations shouldn't be shoved into collectives like the EU