I really dont like the whole kiss the ring dress like a godlike elevated figure and all the pomp and circumstance of the stuff surrounding the concept of "the pope"

And im not totally big on the concept of confession as done in the Catholic church

but may just be that i was taught the Lutheran slant and thats what im used to, who knows

So that Peter was the first pope is a disputed fact?

Protestants and Orthodox do not recognize the papacy

The church wasn't so strictly formalized in those days.

The Catholics aren’t as unified as they would like you to think, despite them going on about Protestants being all over the place.

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Protestants don't even pretend to be the same as each other though.

Also true

I’d rather not pretend

I grew up episcopalian

@CCRed95 A huge issue during the time of the Reformation was the ability of the common man to read scripture for himself. In modern times the Catholic Church has allowed people to do that so that’s an improvement, but back then only priests were allowed access to scripture, and services were done in Latin, not the language of the people.

The Catholics have some things going for them. Compared to many modern Protestant churches they still have more structured liturgy from what I understand. But Protestant church liturgy vary widely so you can still find conservative (especially Lutheran) churches with structured liturgy.

@CCRed95 I would check out a church’s website and their statement of belief before visiting. You can usually rule out the really off the rail liberal churches just by looking at their websites. Do a bit of homework before going and you should be all right.

I am kind of particularly at a loss with the state of Lutheranism

Why?

Lol i should be coding right now, i would like to pick up this discussion though when im not at work

Its complicated and i cant even explain a lot of it

Ok cool

Its not like I have like a bullet list of problems with their stances, i DEFINITELY have a few specific issues, but most of it is what they choose to ignore and what they choose to emphasize seemingly being crafted around following the course of progressivism and in a sense, liberalism, in the culture, to craft a religion around whats convenient socially

Crafting a religion around what is socially convenient is a very old practice.

Which Lutheran church were you a part of?

Some lutheran churches are way more progressive and left leaning than others

Then you have super old school lutheran churches as well

My husbands family is part of the latter

I grew up in a pretty liberal and progressive branch of episcopal. Had gay and lesbian priests etc

Why do so many Catholics act like there isnt a huge split between Latin Modernist, like the current pope, and Integralists like Sourab ahrabi (im not spelling his name correctly) in their church

It isn't a unified institution at all

A lot of the Catholic church's legitimacy comes from it's size and appearance of fidelity to original scripture. Acknowledging internal division undermines that.

Ya, and the biggest part for me is that the Christian Church since its founding has been arguing over texts since its inception

Some of the first factions within the church were the Nestorians, Chalcedonian and Arians

There were others as well those are just the ones I remember

What's the strawman?

Arians were close to universally decried by the early church

the arians were eventually brought back into the church

and many of the gothic tribes that invaded rome were in themselves arian Christians

Arian or aryan?

and I'm not sure they technically were ever outside faith. It's merely a doctrinal difference that most people agreed was incorrect

So not the persian tribe

@pussydestroyer no