@The Bitter Draught I take it more personally than most people because I've had to scrape the bottom of the barrel before just to get by and being preached at about my privilege just makes me want to hurl molotovs

@Lord Zedd heroin does not violate someone else's rights. Yet we vigorously prosecute it. Why?

@Lord Zedd
Lol. So you are doing what you said we shouldn't be doing...

Porn causes a lot of harm

Im cool with prepping and defense. I draw a harder line at advocating a pure state

Ew State.

I do think a lot of minorities have been riled up for evil purposes

That's fucking gay y'all

your argument is retarded though, I thought you might had more to your argument than that

not taking a morality stance is a moral stance

it's not my morals that inform that decision

@Lord Zedd
But you are taking a moral stance.

it's practicality

Not taking a moral stance doesn't sound like a moral stance to me.

I'm taking an amoral stance

The "we should only use force to stop active harm" is a moral stance.

Nope.

I didn't say that, it's not about murder being immoral it's about it being a violation of another's rights

Defining when force can be used is morality, per se.

Well, that part's a complicated topic and we're already busy in here haha

maybe later

@Lord Zedd
That is the point!

Is the violation of others' rights not immoral?

sure but you're not prosecuting on the morality but on legality

Does self defense count as "stopping harm with force"

we don't arrest people for being of bad character

@Lord Zedd
Lolwut

Well, duh.

we arrest them for violating rules

I am proposing laws banning porn.

Being of bad character is only immoral if you subscribe to virtue ethics though.

Big Bad is taking on all comers here

So... those would also be legal.

A utilitarian wouldn't consider poor character to be immoral.

Yeah this popcorn is getting more intense

How come he’s standing alone

We arrested people for being bad characters that violates other peoples rights

And where did all these porn banners come from?

They werent here 30 minutes ago

We arrest people who are incidentally of poor character because they violate laws as a result of that character.

The intermediate step is pretty important.