its an entirely seperate skill set

I know

plus I've been listening to The Republic by Plato, so I was feeling inspired

It wasn't a fair statement to debunk on command, either. It would have lead to a slap-fight that would have gotten you shouted down.

Not every day someone equates freedom of religion to the conquests of the Judeans over the pagan Cannanites.

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(*get it? rim shot?*)

SOME statement of truth would be good. ANY statement of truth. Where do you arrive at the idea that liberal values are the best values? Is it an objective truth? No, it's just your fucking feefees which is sad and pathetic.

My conservativism comes from natural law morality, there's a good book about it called "After Virtue"

We arrive at the idea that liberal values are the best values based on the extensive precedent set by hundreds of years of successful countries with liberal values, the United States especially. Even over the past 100 years, nations based on liberal values have generally succeeded, while those without them have generally failed.

closer adoption of liberal values creates prosperity

Communist China for example, upon allowing their economy to operate more like a free market, had a massive boom in economic power. Japan was an economic miracle upon westernization after WW2.

So the alt-right screech "read siege" at us for months, and now this Ape person comes with his own anti-enlightenment literature everyone should add to their reading list. At first glance it seems like a pre-modernist trying to attribute the catastrophic consequences of post-modernism to modernism.
I'll add the book somewhere on my reading list, but I have other books, and a life, which take priority right now. If I ever need to talk a legitimate pre-modernist who understands the difference between facts and values I'll probably bump it so I'm familiar with the strongest arguments they could bring.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXv4T80Y5Ls

What is that, @Radical Ryzen?

Hey was that Naked Ape?

Kinda typed like him

Anyway this argument seems pointless

There is no system that is based on objective truth

For no system is perfect

Some are simply better than others

And right now Liberal values produce the best systems

@KingOfCringe Yes, that is him. We seem to be the latest thing pissing him off by existing.

don't you get it? You're just pathetic because you value something lol

Like, in the olden days I would ad hominem the shit out of this, but let me just argue it backwards...

@Ape Because society has continually changed for the better since liberal views, principles, and laws have been introduced. Can you think of one thing that has gotten worse over time since the late 1600s/1700s? If anything humanity is leaping forward in almost every aspect. And the majority of the leaps come from Western Countries that were founded on 'liberal principles'. Not left or 'liberal democratic' or other such nonsense. But just simply basic liberal values of personal freedom... *SIMILAR* to what you see in the Liebralist Principles.

You're not going to get a liberalist to edgelord for you and say something nonsensical as a 'TRUTH' like you're looking for. Honestly you're giving me flashbacks to that Kraut bullshit. 'Truthiests pls respond.'

But still can't just answer the question... Name a principle you hold that you can provide objective evidence for? if you're demanding it of us, provide an example to follow, no?

He is probably going to make a video ranting how “pathetic “ we are or something.

You've missed a lot King.

God I can’t believe I used to watch him

Yes I have

I still do, I still will. Because he has some insights others don't. Still subbed to him as a matter of fact. He can call me a soyboy all he wants... I can't think of anything more ironic than a gay man accusing others of being 'soyboys' but oh well.

I for one hate soy

Why does the Alt Right or the far right care about us so much? Seems weird.

Anyone can take that as an ad hominem but I felt it needed to be stated... I'm a gun loving heterosexual whiskey and beer drinking cheeseburger eating red blooded American. But because I, and others like me, are in favor of rational political discussion you're a 'soyboy'. I said it to fog and others, the more people 'REEEEEEE' at Horsehoe theory the more they confirm it. 'If you don't agree with me you are a __'. Perfect.

Well im a pancake loving, maple syrup drinking, poutine eating Canadian so what do I know?

Move here and buy a gun.

Go full Crowder.

I might get arrested for gun smuggling if I did that lol

Well I meant stay, but yeah.