Message from @jorick2u

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2019-02-26 13:21:18 UTC  

Miss me with that gay death shit

2019-02-26 13:21:20 UTC  

@D.kota I'm not getting the point

2019-02-26 13:21:57 UTC  

I mean if the dead don't have rights, then the government would be allowed to control the dead.

2019-02-26 13:22:13 UTC  

government-run zombie hordes are too dangerous for one group to control, clearly

2019-02-26 13:22:46 UTC  

Problem is when someone dies, objectively theyre just a mass of dead organic cells

2019-02-26 13:22:55 UTC  

They remain human in appearance alone

2019-02-26 13:23:03 UTC  

@D.kota things dont have rights

2019-02-26 13:23:11 UTC  

Rights are something you afford the living

2019-02-26 13:23:29 UTC  

We just generally dont abuse bodies because its immoral

2019-02-26 13:23:29 UTC  

Well rights are something the living have

2019-02-26 13:24:21 UTC  

But that depends if you believe in "god"(I prefer societal) given rights or state given rights

2019-02-26 13:25:04 UTC  

A continuous extension of the self, though. Rights apply to the person, and the Constitution at least doesn't differentiate the living from the dead. The body, at least rationally, is part of the self.

2019-02-26 13:25:37 UTC  

😩 is this gonna turn into a philosophical debate

2019-02-26 13:25:42 UTC  

It might

2019-02-26 13:25:50 UTC  

Its like reverse abortion

2019-02-26 13:26:08 UTC  

When does a human stop being a human and become a lump of cells?

2019-02-26 13:26:28 UTC  

Is a decaying corpse human?

2019-02-26 13:26:48 UTC  

Is an ash pile human?

2019-02-26 13:27:24 UTC  

What about those tree coffins where they plants a sapling that uses your body as nutrients

2019-02-26 13:29:16 UTC  

I would even go as far as to say that your body isnt you, it's your property for sure. But the same way as a tool would be a part of you

2019-02-26 13:29:36 UTC  

It's a tool for your consciousness to use to do things

2019-02-26 13:29:50 UTC  

Id say a human is the combination of the consiousness and body

2019-02-26 13:30:03 UTC  

Body doesnt need to be organic mind you

2019-02-26 13:30:29 UTC  

A consciousness and a ability to impact the world you also could say

2019-02-26 13:30:34 UTC  

Yes

2019-02-26 13:30:55 UTC  

A consciousness uploaded to a computer wouldnt be human

2019-02-26 13:31:12 UTC  

But a consciousness uploaded to a humanoid android body could be

2019-02-26 13:31:26 UTC  

But an empty android wouldnt be

2019-02-26 13:31:35 UTC  

Does android mean any biological parts?

2019-02-26 13:31:40 UTC  

No

2019-02-26 13:31:47 UTC  

Cyborgs is biological

2019-02-26 13:32:02 UTC  

Okay so what's the difference between the computer and the android

2019-02-26 13:32:25 UTC  

The computer is virtual only

2019-02-26 13:32:30 UTC  

You have tools to impact the world

2019-02-26 13:32:39 UTC  

At least if you can interact

2019-02-26 13:32:40 UTC  

No way to tangibly move and interact

2019-02-26 13:33:07 UTC  

The consiousness needs to be anchored to a moving physical form

2019-02-26 13:33:25 UTC  

If it can inhabit multiple bodies at once then its not human

2019-02-26 13:33:50 UTC  

Well for me it can't because it wouldnt be the same person anymore at that point

2019-02-26 13:33:52 UTC  

If there exists more than one instance of the consiousness it becomes a clone, not a human

2019-02-26 13:34:00 UTC  

Yes exactly