Message from @Kombat-Unit
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lol, you are either being intellectually dishonest or dumb. we have to compare the success of our movements here in this country
not in scandinavia
NatAll was literally a million-dollar-a-year org
you can shit on the current movement all you want, but it is far better than 1.0
no, no it isn't
Again, Pierce's National Alliance, million dollar publishing house
rallies thousands strong
much better than what we have today
there is no argument that 1.0 was better than the current movement, literally none. we have entered the mainstream political discourse here, idc about how much money 1.0 had
still not enough, sadly
It's not skinhead movement, that's a strawman, your nationalist movement PERIOD hasn't done SHIT, pinning it on skinheads, now that's intellectually dishonest. Not the suit and tie nazis, not the patriotards and not the skinheads.
Except NA tho.
RIP WLP
Hasn't done shit? Okay lol. An entire generation of young white men have been redpilled because of 2.0, not because of drunken backwoods nazis
I was talking of 1.0 generation.
The issue is leadership, Europe has long ago brought together intelligent folks (white and blue collar) to work together
In America, as much respect as I have for Dr. Pierce, he and many others shit on the blue collar nationalists, not providing them leadership
A movement is fucking gay if its just white collar dudes with books that are too long, but it also doesnt work if its just the blue collar. We need to have the elements of the society, our nation, work together within the framework of a revolutionary movement
And American WN 1.0 failed on this, it was entirely a class separated movement
Back me up here tho Heimbach, skins are decent people, I know they saved they day in Sacramento as well.
I don't think anyone here has said skin aren't decent people though
I don't think they are bad people
Skins are good people, at least a lot of them are. We just need to have all elements of the subcultures under the same framework to make sure we properly apply our message in society
Skinheads alone are a dead end
Intellectuals alone are a dead end
Middle class folks alone are a dead end
Its like taking part of a body and calling it a person. We need rough and tumble dudes, like the SA, to ensure safety and security for our events, outreach, and communities. We need guys with tech skills, speaking skills, organizing skills, paperwork skills, etc
It all has to work together
Tfw we're so diverse it's causing division
Also heimbach just said diversity is our strength
Big if true
Yea. I have no problem with big tent strategy, I just think that once people are in the tent we shouldn't just say that anything goes. You are in NRM which is organized, disciplined, and has good aesthetics so idk why you would disagree with that. Would you allow hooliganism in NRM when you are organizing a march where people are expected to fall in line and act disciplined?
Large if correct
Would you say its cucky to tell some guy that's acting like a goon to fall in line and act proper?
A militant aesthetic doesn't work if it is sloppy and done with people who look and act like goons
It has to be clean and disciplined
Or don't even do it
Agreed
What relevance does this have to anything we have discussed? Of course people follow orders.
Well in America, our issue is making that happen; which I think part of the discussion over subculture becomes relevant
See, creating the party is also about creating an identity with which people from all classes are comfortable with and can work within, and one subculture does not become superior and turn off other people. We have skins, people who would be called "2.0" in America, i guess more intellectual people, christians, pagans, atheists, EH, but during our demos and activism, they're just NRM first.
Exactly, that's the culture we're trying to build with TWP, and it is working. We've got former guys from Volksfront, other skin crews, National Alliance, Alt-Right guys, Southern Nationalists etc