its implies free of causality or externalities

even relatively

its still a hard position to defend

hard position to defend free will or go against it ?

to defend free will

Correct me if I'm wrong but if you have the choice between a green colored t-shirt or a yellow colored t-shirt and you choose the green one because you like it and green is your favourite color, but you go back and purchase the yellow one because you don't want a entire closet full of green colored t-shirts, you make the choice yourself don't you ??

choice doesnt equate free will

you made that choice cause of externalities

yea

you base choice on reason

What's defined as free will then? @Deleted User

@windmill man freedom of humans to make choices that are not determined by prior causes or by divine intervention

free will taken to its logical conclusion basically contradicts causality or is contingent on some form of belief in the supernatural

But aren't all choices based on free will then

It's hard for me to understand your position

no

choices would be dependent on previous casual affects

Could you give a example?

okay

@windmill man do you have the choice to move your right hand?

I do

Normally it's a unconscious process but the moment I think to myself I want to move my hand I can

@windmill man if i were to cut it off. Afterwards would you have the choice to move your right hand?

not anymore, my brain would still send the signals but there would no longer be a right hand

@windmill man thats because your choice is restricted by the state of reality and the casual effects that exist in it

so you wouldnt have that choice

now can you control your brain?

The entire world is restricted by nature laws isnt it

I can control my brain, because my brain is still there, and I can reach it without breaking the laws of physics

whats the mechanism by which you control your brain?

the thing is there is none

at least no evidence for one

Am I not my brain?

your brain is whats making the choice and its operates on casual effects

in other words

your "choice" is simply an illusion of it

but are you not your brain?

yeah but that simply means "you" arent making a choice

youre simply acting

??

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