but i can disprove it right now

Precedent

i dont need violence to get some kids in a classroom to behave

literally every interaction you have in a civilization requires it

theyll do it if i ask nicely

yes you do?

If they're disciplined, well-behaved children

Lots of kids won't do it if you ask nicely

but the point is, some did

@Deleted User you do know that the threat of violence still exists, right?

in that classroom, if a kid doesnt listen and disrupts the room

> literally every interaction you have in a civilization requires it
so this right here is disproved

theyre removed

by force

so yes

no?

it does have an implication of violence

ive seen this very thing happen many times

and ive seen opposites

if a kid continues to be disruptive, violent or so on

so your absolute statement is disproved

what happens?

no it isnt

yeah it has

if i a police officer arrests me

and i comply

that doesnt mean the threat of violence doesnt exist

it just means i complied

not talking about being arrested

would you understand this better if i used the term force instead of violence

im talking about whether order can exist without violence

`and ive seen opposite` as have I

same logic applies to a class room

same thing

order can only be enforced through violence

Lots of anarchists and libertarians essentially believe in the idea of the "better angels of our nature"

no

That there truly is a real moral sentiment in humans

But there isn't

order can happen automatically

We're just animals