@Einhänder to the average nerd, the AVS is overkill

Yeah I agree

Its probably pretty good completely loaded down and you're in it for months on end

Thats where you notice where the harness changes things

Where you save a few pounds from lighter plates, you're throwing on an extra radio, ammo, or batteries

I mean nobody really over loads them

Yeah, but its there if you need to

I guess but that again goes back to my point of the harness being unnecessary becauae the benefits are lost on most, if not all, users

Yeah, that is a good point.

12-16 mag setups isn't that crazy and people already do them with other setups

ehhh it's pretty wack

Most medium or large carriers accommodate for it 🤷

you definitely notice the extra weight when you carry 2x of a standard combat load

and the bulk sucks, at that point there's nowhere good to put your mags

Ok what's standard load tho

12 seems pretty normal

like 7-8

12 is a lot

To carry or as a loadout

like once you start thinking about where to put the mags especially if you don't like double stacking, it sucks to go over 7-8

wym

the weight isn't crazy, like 1lb per mag

but the bulk sucks

unless half of those are in a pack

Carrying 12 mags being wack or the need for 12 mags

Being wack

Because there's plenty of ancedotal evidence saying 12 mags is pretty normal if not preferable to anyone actually doing any shooting

i mean it really depends what you're doing

there are also lots of units that never carry over 7-8

Yeah but what are they doing, like I don't expect VBSS niggas or SFABs do carry more than 8

nah

You don’t carry all your mags on your carrier

Yeah

i mean if chuck pressburg is anything to go by, most of the units doing nighttime direct action stuff only carried like 4 on body

You can either put extras in a pack or have them in your vehicle

So a plate carrier supporting 12-16 mags is whack

But that's my point, with the AVS, you'd never go past 8 mags

or similar amounts

they go in your pack

ok now i understand wym

lmao