Message from @post-ironic username

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2017-06-16 00:48:12 UTC  

Syndicalism is the ideology of fracture.

2017-06-16 00:48:21 UTC  

Platformism too.

2017-06-16 00:48:27 UTC  

isn't syndicalism democratic worker union management

2017-06-16 00:48:36 UTC  

like i know a few deleonists

2017-06-16 00:49:15 UTC  

Not only. The way the democracy is set through is not correct.

2017-06-16 00:49:27 UTC  

how so?

2017-06-16 00:50:46 UTC  

Bolshevik are against platformism or syndicalism because we have to have a disciplined organization for revolutionary action. After the world revolution decentralization is all-right.

2017-06-16 00:51:02 UTC  

But that is not our lifetime.

2017-06-16 00:51:17 UTC  

All we have is a need for discipline.

2017-06-16 00:51:33 UTC  

hm

2017-06-16 00:51:41 UTC  

so you are pro-democracy pro-centralization?

2017-06-16 00:52:27 UTC  

Yes both. More on authoritarian side.

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2017-06-16 00:54:07 UTC  

so isn't there a possibility of the party that works in the proletariat's interests forming a new ruling class?

2017-06-16 00:54:31 UTC  

We are not against worker's aristocracy.

2017-06-16 00:55:05 UTC  

wouldn't this eventually degenerate into fascism though

2017-06-16 00:55:32 UTC  

@post-ironic username everything may degenerate into many things.

2017-06-16 00:55:50 UTC  

...?

2017-06-16 00:56:14 UTC  

Every single ideology may degenerate into fascism.

2017-06-16 00:58:19 UTC  

i guess, but some are better than others at avoiding that problem

2017-06-16 00:58:41 UTC  

Like what?

2017-06-16 00:58:47 UTC  

of course even in some ideal anarchist society fascism could be caused by violent revolution

2017-06-16 00:59:18 UTC  

but ML society mid-transition makes it easier with one central council controlling everything and trying to maintain their power, does it not?

2017-06-16 01:00:53 UTC  

It depends. I think we can run on a personal authority of our man. One man can be responsible and should.

2017-06-16 01:01:27 UTC  

But we have to have a bigger organization than before.

2017-06-16 01:02:48 UTC  

why is one man running things advantageous?

2017-06-16 01:02:55 UTC  

If one man can't do it - smaller council is possible.

2017-06-16 01:02:58 UTC  

it seems like you're depending on a very weak link here

2017-06-16 01:03:57 UTC  

The smartest man should be the leader, yes?

2017-06-16 01:04:33 UTC  

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2017-06-16 01:05:32 UTC  

how do you determine the smartest man? might?

2017-06-16 01:05:52 UTC  

why not have discourse between several people and reach the truth democratically?

2017-06-16 01:06:01 UTC  

By his scientific input in Marxism.

2017-06-16 01:06:55 UTC  

Like Lenin just started to make analitics and nobody had any way around him.

2017-06-16 01:07:29 UTC  

i'm not that well versed in theory but i'm sure there are a few criticisms of lenin's work out there

2017-06-16 01:07:46 UTC  

@post-ironic username they all failed and gave up.

2017-06-16 01:08:06 UTC  

ofc i'd have no way to tell if they're valid or not without reading them

2017-06-16 01:08:08 UTC  

In his lifetime.

2017-06-16 01:08:26 UTC  

@post-ironic username I've read them.

2017-06-16 01:09:08 UTC  

There always been talks in the party. The saved archives you can read.

2017-06-16 01:09:14 UTC  

link?

2017-06-16 01:09:39 UTC  

I have no idea how to call it in English. I'll look it up for you right now.