Message from @post-ironic username

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2017-06-16 00:47:19 UTC  

@post-ironic username everybody are different. You become left-wing from different angles. Some because they are gay, some because they are good hearted religious people. It is all good. The fracture and syndicalism is what is not good, right?

2017-06-16 00:47:49 UTC  

yeah i read that, sorry i glossed over it the first time

2017-06-16 00:48:12 UTC  

Syndicalism is the ideology of fracture.

2017-06-16 00:48:21 UTC  

Platformism too.

2017-06-16 00:48:27 UTC  

isn't syndicalism democratic worker union management

2017-06-16 00:48:36 UTC  

like i know a few deleonists

2017-06-16 00:49:15 UTC  

Not only. The way the democracy is set through is not correct.

2017-06-16 00:49:27 UTC  

how so?

2017-06-16 00:50:46 UTC  

Bolshevik are against platformism or syndicalism because we have to have a disciplined organization for revolutionary action. After the world revolution decentralization is all-right.

2017-06-16 00:51:02 UTC  

But that is not our lifetime.

2017-06-16 00:51:17 UTC  

All we have is a need for discipline.

2017-06-16 00:51:33 UTC  

hm

2017-06-16 00:51:41 UTC  

so you are pro-democracy pro-centralization?

2017-06-16 00:52:27 UTC  

Yes both. More on authoritarian side.

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2017-06-16 00:54:07 UTC  

so isn't there a possibility of the party that works in the proletariat's interests forming a new ruling class?

2017-06-16 00:54:31 UTC  

We are not against worker's aristocracy.

2017-06-16 00:55:05 UTC  

wouldn't this eventually degenerate into fascism though

2017-06-16 00:55:32 UTC  

@post-ironic username everything may degenerate into many things.

2017-06-16 00:55:50 UTC  

...?

2017-06-16 00:56:14 UTC  

Every single ideology may degenerate into fascism.

2017-06-16 00:58:19 UTC  

i guess, but some are better than others at avoiding that problem

2017-06-16 00:58:41 UTC  

Like what?

2017-06-16 00:58:47 UTC  

of course even in some ideal anarchist society fascism could be caused by violent revolution

2017-06-16 00:59:18 UTC  

but ML society mid-transition makes it easier with one central council controlling everything and trying to maintain their power, does it not?

2017-06-16 01:00:53 UTC  

It depends. I think we can run on a personal authority of our man. One man can be responsible and should.

2017-06-16 01:01:27 UTC  

But we have to have a bigger organization than before.

2017-06-16 01:02:48 UTC  

why is one man running things advantageous?

2017-06-16 01:02:55 UTC  

If one man can't do it - smaller council is possible.

2017-06-16 01:02:58 UTC  

it seems like you're depending on a very weak link here

2017-06-16 01:03:57 UTC  

The smartest man should be the leader, yes?

2017-06-16 01:04:33 UTC  

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2017-06-16 01:05:32 UTC  

how do you determine the smartest man? might?

2017-06-16 01:05:52 UTC  

why not have discourse between several people and reach the truth democratically?

2017-06-16 01:06:01 UTC  

By his scientific input in Marxism.

2017-06-16 01:06:55 UTC  

Like Lenin just started to make analitics and nobody had any way around him.

2017-06-16 01:07:29 UTC  

i'm not that well versed in theory but i'm sure there are a few criticisms of lenin's work out there

2017-06-16 01:07:46 UTC  

@post-ironic username they all failed and gave up.

2017-06-16 01:08:06 UTC  

ofc i'd have no way to tell if they're valid or not without reading them

2017-06-16 01:08:08 UTC  

In his lifetime.

2017-06-16 01:08:26 UTC  

@post-ironic username I've read them.

2017-06-16 01:09:08 UTC  

There always been talks in the party. The saved archives you can read.