Message from @Sampuka
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there he goes deleting every post of his
classic comrade turnip
@Deleted User lenin is no god, national boslhevism is the only way, and the nazbol have no allegiance
Can you summarise the difference between Nazbol and Leninism?
@Deleted User Yes, everything remotely significant
Isn't NazBolism a mix of corporate fascism and Leninism?
I honestly don't know anything about it.
@Deleted User Nazbol is a meme.
Way I've interpreted Nazbol is, "Gee, Stalin was a good leader except he didn't have enough Hitler."
Economically National Capitalist, Socially Falangist or some other kind of clergical Fascism (not necessarily Nazi but pretty close in all honesty), and politically Stalinist. Its an interesting ideology, but yes it is basically a meme.
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Only the concept of classes been there before Marx.
He just agreed with common knowledge.
>Communists strike when you least expect them to bc dialectics
Reee
Fucking commie dialectic
Classes are known to be as old as written history, worked pretty well for the most part
>worked well
except it was the cause for the most important revolutions
Yeah but things were stable until then werent they?
>Implying anything ever has been stable
>Except for all sorts of peasant revolutions
and slave revolts
I dont know maybe? For the better than slaves at least it was okaaaay for the time
And you do implement a class system i thought, doesnt india with the castes?
Implying that's been entirely stable either, or not being slowly liquidated as the country modernizes.
last time humanity was without classes was tribal societies, you don't have anything to compare class socities to
only eachother
which is the right thing to do
Caste and class exists as a means to protect the property of a small minority of individuals who claim spiritual or military supremecy of something. So long as material power invests itself into a small population and more have greater than the whole then there will be class conflict.
So long as the means by which further material property is made, if not reforms and reorganization of the way property is treated this process will forever persist.
The anti-aristocratic class reforms of the American and French revolutions were find for their time; when a single individual could only hold a piece of a market in proportion to his physical capability. But the owning of automation puts these ratios far out of whack.
To return to India: there has been Dalit uprisings, mostly after the 18th century. But the Greeks recorded a far taller class structure. Further, the Buddha was considerably critical of the caste system and Buddhism teaches against caste differences.
This small group of individuals who claim spiritual or military supremacy do so because they are capable of doing so, and if you are incapable of defending what you own, you don't deserve it anyway - this is the true nature of the world - not just for people, but for animals as well. Even if you took away everything today, and everyone had uniform resources - most would waste what they are given, some would save their portion, but there will always be those chosen few who will seize the resources others would have wasted.
You can only prevent this by having some of overwhelming state apparatus to hold back the flow of human nature - temporarily - until some future even breaks the levies and overwhelms the state.
Look at india - the lower caste shits in the streets even when they have the choice of toilets. In other words - they don't shit in the streets because they are disenfranchised - quite the opposite - they are disenfranchised because they shit in the streets. They were born trash, their children will be trash, and so will their line. This is the essence of the caste. The Ancients knew this - and yet we pretend that everyone is the same.
Human nature changes over time, and humanity, being a rational being, ought to control his own nature for the better. A strong state is the perfect apparatus for this, and in doing so would create a future human far in advance of naturalist who falsely assume it so be static or otherwise sacred in some way. Indeed Socialism is the perfected of man because only this kind of apparatus is objective about the best parts of the human condition, and not subject to primitive ideals like ethnocentrism or bias in group preferances.
The state is not the path to salvation, the individual is
"The individual himself is still the most recent invention.
For many generations, being separated from the herd was a punishment and guilt was acting not in accord with its interests."
(Friedrich Nietzsche)
Also Iām neither British nor American. This is just the most serious canal for discussions, so far.