Message from @Alpha
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If you are interested.
alan, just because the anglo-american capitalist empire is extremely powerful does not make it right
when it comes to political theory, might does not make right
but in raw politics, sometimes the opposite is the case
i dont like american capitalist
they have their own agenda
but thats the thing, what we read in the west about venezuela is inflected by capitalist propaganda
@Alpha We have to compare socialist countries with socialist. To know the differences in their systems.
we see the nation through the lens of their (capitalist) interests
agree
but the free market is necessary you can have socialism. but also free market
well I don't disagree with that necessarily
socialists usually call it "free association"
Lets not change the subject please as we didn't find any knowledge yet on the previous subject. Would you like to investigate on the differences of socialist states?
because "markets" are taken to imply
that there are still financial markets, ownership of stocks/bonds/commodities by indiviiduals
I'll be here
For you.
that with pure socialism you cant go so far
Alan this piece by Schweickart is pretty close to what a good "transitional program" should be....and strictly speaking its a kind of market socialism
but imho any socialist alternative has to address the problems with capitalism that schweickart brings up
in any case, there are going to be conflicts between "values" and "growth"
@Alpha When do you plan to get some knowledge on the socialist states?
Please show us your knowledge. Can you please make a comparison of them?
What about other socialist states? USSR, China?
g2g, nice chatting w u folks
How can we compare states like NK and Cuba to USSR and China? What is the difference between them?
@Alpha I don't see any information about government or economy. What are the hard numbers?
Do you know what Marx and all other communists say about small socialist states?
They can't exist.
It is our conclusion from 150 years ago.
And you come to the communist and ask why NK is in trouble?
Because NK can't exist as a socialist state.
Reality is that it can't exist even on paper.