Aka A State controlled market economy

Question.

which is still a market economy=Capitalist mode of production

What’s wrong with privatization for profit nowadays?

http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf This is helpful

We’re kind of making a transition into automating our factory work as of right now, meaning less need for workers for manual labor.

exactly, and that would mean that privatizing would lead to usage of machinery for profit as opposed to common need

You still have to buy stuff, but there will be no need for your work anymore, making you not have money. Which is why automation is the ultimate contradiction of Capitalism

Wouldn’t automating your labor mean you wouldn’t have to pay for your workers, therefore adding to your overall profits, though?

Automation increases—> less jobs —> less people work and therefore have wages to buy stuff—> Automation increases—> full automation—> whole sectors become employed by automation only—> people don’t work anymore and don’t have money to buy stuff —> the private ownership of automation becomes useless because they produce stuff people can’t buy. Companies make no profit.

If all labor is automated, and no work is needed, you can’t have wage labor, and therefore profit.

It would rather quickly become a gift economy

Not all industries can utilize automation, however. There would still be need for human workers in some ways, but not on the level we’ve had for a while.

Yes it would be pretty irrelevant though, and robots are getting so advanced that it could be that even inventive, intellectual, work can be performed

Wouldn’t some new industries with human needs also pop up on the way as well?

Some I guess

It’s not like human labor would just flat-out disappear, after all.

Yes but most of it

with full automation

But It would lead to a shit ton of instability and unrest that would most likely lead to an easy transition to communism aided by automated labor that can be the source of the gift economy

@yung (thanks for taking over 10 minutes to respond) No fucking shit business would work for profit, but that need would come second to the nation, but it dosen't make it capitalist either, I have told you this all before that we are fine with people making a profit, but that need needs to come second to the state.

Just because you say it is for the nation doesn’t make it not capitalist. The problem is not where the profit lands, it’s that profit is made.

this is what you refuse to acknowledge

That is what makes it Capitalist

@yung In capitalism, profit comes first and foremost, in national socialism, it dosen't, is that simple enough for you?

How doesn’t it?

show me how it doesn’t

Show me one concrete economic practice that shows that private property in Germany put profit as a lesser priority when the only function of private property is making profit

lmao

@yung In national socialism, businesses focus on benefitting the state, before profit.

Ok show me

how

Okay, give me a moment.

this is done, ignoring that for war every nation works like that

Send me via DM i’m going to sleep as it’s 2 AM

Just know that Nazi Germany had a capitalist mode of production

nite

@yung Leaving just like that in the middle of an argument? Nice.

I’m sorry dude but it’s really late

I normally wouldn’t do this but I have to

And the debate is over. Anyone who believes that privatization is anti capitalist has lost the plot, sorry.