Message from @K▲ISER
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Already told you how that wasn't the case for the seventh time now....
Eh, in my eyes Taiwan is still the legitimate government of China.
That’s just me.
you haven’t said shut
*shit
@yung Calm down there sassy pants, you're getting all riled up.
You said: privatization isn’t Capitalism because nAzi worldview sees state as priority
@yung You have not proven at all how it is indeed inherently capitalist.
which is A) not an argument, and B) completely irrelevant to the truth.
I thought the Nazis were against private property and all for all real-estate to be controlled by the state.
@K▲ISER You thought wrong.
How so?
@K▲ISER Check this whole conversation.
kk
Hm, I’ve gotcha now.
Thanks for the info my dood <:bour:313709044957315082>
If you privatize most industry, you are making most industry work for profit. This is fact and irrefutable, as private ownership is production named at selling, not giving away for free. It doesn’t matter if that profit is made by selling arms to the military complex or by simple sale of civilian commodities. If you are selling something, you are making profit from it, or at least trying to. Even if say certain sectors of production are made to benefit the state, it either means that the state is using private profit to finance itself, or that production is public, which there was in some aspect in Nazi Germany, as it was needed for the war effort.
Still capital returns increased, aka Capitalism rose, and most industry was privatized, meaning that most industry was run for profit of Business Owners. The whole narrative that the state came first maybe true in so far as private profit was used by the state, but it falls apart at the fact that Germany privatized more than nationalised.
Aka A State controlled market economy
Question.
which is still a market economy=Capitalist mode of production
http://www.ub.edu/graap/nazi.pdf This is helpful
We’re kind of making a transition into automating our factory work as of right now, meaning less need for workers for manual labor.
exactly, and that would mean that privatizing would lead to usage of machinery for profit as opposed to common need
You still have to buy stuff, but there will be no need for your work anymore, making you not have money. Which is why automation is the ultimate contradiction of Capitalism
Wouldn’t automating your labor mean you wouldn’t have to pay for your workers, therefore adding to your overall profits, though?
Automation increases—> less jobs —> less people work and therefore have wages to buy stuff—> Automation increases—> full automation—> whole sectors become employed by automation only—> people don’t work anymore and don’t have money to buy stuff —> the private ownership of automation becomes useless because they produce stuff people can’t buy. Companies make no profit.
If all labor is automated, and no work is needed, you can’t have wage labor, and therefore profit.
It would rather quickly become a gift economy
Not all industries can utilize automation, however. There would still be need for human workers in some ways, but not on the level we’ve had for a while.
Yes it would be pretty irrelevant though, and robots are getting so advanced that it could be that even inventive, intellectual, work can be performed
Wouldn’t some new industries with human needs also pop up on the way as well?
Some I guess
It’s not like human labor would just flat-out disappear, after all.
Yes but most of it
with full automation
But It would lead to a shit ton of instability and unrest that would most likely lead to an easy transition to communism aided by automated labor that can be the source of the gift economy
@yung (thanks for taking over 10 minutes to respond) No fucking shit business would work for profit, but that need would come second to the nation, but it dosen't make it capitalist either, I have told you this all before that we are fine with people making a profit, but that need needs to come second to the state.
Just because you say it is for the nation doesn’t make it not capitalist. The problem is not where the profit lands, it’s that profit is made.
this is what you refuse to acknowledge
That is what makes it Capitalist