Message from @K▲ISER

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2018-04-11 23:20:54 UTC  

Already told you how that wasn't the case for the seventh time now....

2018-04-11 23:20:54 UTC  

Eh, in my eyes Taiwan is still the legitimate government of China.

2018-04-11 23:21:03 UTC  

That’s just me.

2018-04-11 23:21:05 UTC  

you haven’t said shut

2018-04-11 23:21:08 UTC  

*shit

2018-04-11 23:21:35 UTC  

@yung Calm down there sassy pants, you're getting all riled up.

2018-04-11 23:21:37 UTC  

You said: privatization isn’t Capitalism because nAzi worldview sees state as priority

2018-04-11 23:22:05 UTC  

@yung You have not proven at all how it is indeed inherently capitalist.

2018-04-11 23:22:07 UTC  

which is A) not an argument, and B) completely irrelevant to the truth.

2018-04-11 23:22:26 UTC  

I thought the Nazis were against private property and all for all real-estate to be controlled by the state.

2018-04-11 23:22:45 UTC  

@K▲ISER You thought wrong.

2018-04-11 23:22:57 UTC  

How so?

2018-04-11 23:23:12 UTC  

@K▲ISER Check this whole conversation.

2018-04-11 23:23:17 UTC  

kk

2018-04-11 23:24:47 UTC  

Hm, I’ve gotcha now.

2018-04-11 23:24:59 UTC  

Thanks for the info my dood <:bour:313709044957315082>

2018-04-11 23:34:44 UTC  

If you privatize most industry, you are making most industry work for profit. This is fact and irrefutable, as private ownership is production named at selling, not giving away for free. It doesn’t matter if that profit is made by selling arms to the military complex or by simple sale of civilian commodities. If you are selling something, you are making profit from it, or at least trying to. Even if say certain sectors of production are made to benefit the state, it either means that the state is using private profit to finance itself, or that production is public, which there was in some aspect in Nazi Germany, as it was needed for the war effort.
Still capital returns increased, aka Capitalism rose, and most industry was privatized, meaning that most industry was run for profit of Business Owners. The whole narrative that the state came first maybe true in so far as private profit was used by the state, but it falls apart at the fact that Germany privatized more than nationalised.

2018-04-11 23:36:11 UTC  

Aka A State controlled market economy

2018-04-11 23:36:16 UTC  

Question.

2018-04-11 23:36:36 UTC  

which is still a market economy=Capitalist mode of production

2018-04-11 23:36:51 UTC  

What’s wrong with privatization for profit nowadays?

2018-04-11 23:36:51 UTC  
2018-04-11 23:37:49 UTC  

We’re kind of making a transition into automating our factory work as of right now, meaning less need for workers for manual labor.

2018-04-11 23:38:48 UTC  

exactly, and that would mean that privatizing would lead to usage of machinery for profit as opposed to common need

2018-04-11 23:40:11 UTC  

You still have to buy stuff, but there will be no need for your work anymore, making you not have money. Which is why automation is the ultimate contradiction of Capitalism

2018-04-11 23:42:36 UTC  

Wouldn’t automating your labor mean you wouldn’t have to pay for your workers, therefore adding to your overall profits, though?

2018-04-11 23:43:59 UTC  

Automation increases—> less jobs —> less people work and therefore have wages to buy stuff—> Automation increases—> full automation—> whole sectors become employed by automation only—> people don’t work anymore and don’t have money to buy stuff —> the private ownership of automation becomes useless because they produce stuff people can’t buy. Companies make no profit.

2018-04-11 23:45:40 UTC  

If all labor is automated, and no work is needed, you can’t have wage labor, and therefore profit.

2018-04-11 23:46:13 UTC  

It would rather quickly become a gift economy

2018-04-11 23:46:26 UTC  

Not all industries can utilize automation, however. There would still be need for human workers in some ways, but not on the level we’ve had for a while.

2018-04-11 23:47:15 UTC  

Yes it would be pretty irrelevant though, and robots are getting so advanced that it could be that even inventive, intellectual, work can be performed

2018-04-11 23:47:47 UTC  

Wouldn’t some new industries with human needs also pop up on the way as well?

2018-04-11 23:48:03 UTC  

Some I guess

2018-04-11 23:48:30 UTC  

It’s not like human labor would just flat-out disappear, after all.

2018-04-11 23:48:43 UTC  

Yes but most of it

2018-04-11 23:48:50 UTC  

with full automation

2018-04-11 23:49:19 UTC  

But It would lead to a shit ton of instability and unrest that would most likely lead to an easy transition to communism aided by automated labor that can be the source of the gift economy

2018-04-11 23:52:23 UTC  

@yung (thanks for taking over 10 minutes to respond) No fucking shit business would work for profit, but that need would come second to the nation, but it dosen't make it capitalist either, I have told you this all before that we are fine with people making a profit, but that need needs to come second to the state.

2018-04-11 23:53:29 UTC  

Just because you say it is for the nation doesn’t make it not capitalist. The problem is not where the profit lands, it’s that profit is made.

2018-04-11 23:53:37 UTC  

this is what you refuse to acknowledge

2018-04-11 23:54:00 UTC  

That is what makes it Capitalist